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DaveE 01-05-2007 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Of course since the Repubs took control of Congress in 94, I'm not sure where that leaves you, Dave...
Must have more to do with who is at the helm??????

lendaddy 01-05-2007 07:49 AM

I agree Rick, I was just thinking the other day that what we need is some good ole fashion San Fransico common sense to straighten things out. Well, that and tax increases.

We're an our way now, it's gonna be great!

Nathans_Dad 01-05-2007 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by DaveE
Must have more to do with who is at the helm??????
Well now, hold on a sec there Davie boy... I thought the Republican Congress was the cause of all the problems? Isn't that why the Democrats were swept into office? I thought they were supposed to right all the wrongs of the Republicans?

Refresh my memory, my political science background is a little shaky. Does the President make laws, pass budgets, allocate money? I always thought the Congress made the laws and stuff...you know, legislative stuff.

m21sniper 01-05-2007 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by DaveE
I was too young in the '60s but the '90s were pretty good to me. This decade has sucked so far.
Sure the 90s were great if you like pointless diversionary wars, Gangsta RAP music, a CINC caught red-handed commiting perjury, a US AG that thought it was OK to run over American citizens with Armored vehicles(then burn their town down), an FBI director that thought "Shoot armed adults on site" was an acceptable Rule of Engagement to utilize against American citizens, and the proliferation of pointless gun control measures and a widening of the War on drugs. If you are a fan of increased gov't powers and property seizure laws- the 90s was your decade!

What's worse, those stinking bums in Dallas won three superbowls.

Oh, and then there's the .com bubble.

The 90s sucked.

Moneyguy1 01-05-2007 08:58 AM

Either the legislative or the executive arm of the federal government can throw the monkey wrench into the works. If they do not work together, look to that arm that is being obstructionist. Stop looking at it as solely the problem of one arm of government or one political philosophy.

The bias shown here by otherwise intelligent people is very interesting.

DaveE 01-05-2007 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Well now, hold on a sec there Davie boy... I thought the Republican Congress was the cause of all the problems? Isn't that why the Democrats were swept into office? I thought they were supposed to right all the wrongs of the Republicans?

Refresh my memory, my political science background is a little shaky. Does the President make laws, pass budgets, allocate money? I always thought the Congress made the laws and stuff...you know, legislative stuff.

I don't claim to have all the answers, just responding to your question the best I can, but of course you are well aware that in Nov we had no option regarding the Office of the President and could only make changes that were available on the ballot. I believe if Bush could have been voted out in Nov he would be 'cutting brush' right now.

DaveE 01-05-2007 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by m21sniper
Sure the 90s were great if you like pointless diversionary wars, Gangsta RAP music, a CINC caught red-handed commiting perjury, a US AG that thought it was OK to run over American citizens with Armored vehicles(then burn their town down), an FBI director that thought "Shoot armed adults on site" was an acceptable Rule of Engagement to utilize against American citizens, and the proliferation of pointless gun control measures and a widening of the War on drugs. If you are a fan of increased gov't powers and property seizure laws- the 90s was your decade!

What's worse, those stinking bums in Dallas won three superbowls.

Oh, and then there's the .com bubble.

The 90s sucked.

Depends on your slant, I suppose, although I do agree regarding the Cowboys.

Nathans_Dad 01-05-2007 09:08 AM

Of course he would be cutting brush right now. Bush has the lowest approval rating in recent history. I'm not defending Bush, nor the Republicans.

I simply find it interesting (and a little humorous) that one day after the Democrats take control of Congress you choose to bring up the old "it's who is in the White House that really matters" card. Funny that, when Clinton was President anything good was his doing, anything bad was the fault of the Republican Congress. Now that the Dems have power, everything bad will be Bush's fault and everything good will be the courageous Democrats winning a victory for the people.

The more things change...the more they stay the same.

m21sniper 01-05-2007 09:13 AM

What is it exactly that Clinton did in eight years that was "Good"? Well, besides leaving when his term was over.... ;)

DaveE 01-05-2007 09:13 AM

Honestly I look back over the last 6 years and struggle to think of anything good Bush HAS done. Well, he attacked the Taliban after 9/11, but then he lost focus so in my mind he didn't even do that right.

livi 01-05-2007 09:15 AM

Rick,

I can appreciate those lights too. At least according to the picture previously attached.

If I understand your politics correctly, that is Fast Pat country, right? ;)

m21sniper 01-05-2007 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by DaveE
Honestly I look back over the last 6 years and struggle to think of anything good Bush HAS done. Well, he attacked the Taliban after 9/11, but then he lost focus so in my mind he didn't even do that right.
We were talking about Clinton man. ;)

I agree Bush is a moron, but that wasn't what i was addressing.

DaveE 01-05-2007 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by m21sniper
We were talking about Clinton man. ;)

I agree Bush is a moron, but that wasn't what i was addressing.

Sorry snipe, i was addressing the post above yours when yours about Clinton came in. What did Clinton do right? For one, he was able to compromise and work with the Republican Congress he had to work with during the last 6 years of his Presidency. Will Bush be able to do that for 2 years?

m21sniper 01-05-2007 09:36 AM

If by compromise you mean get nothing done(but depositions) because you've publically disgraced yourself and commited perjury, then yes....Clinton was indeed a great compromiser. ;)

I think pols are generally all dirt bags. Left or right.

sammyg2 01-05-2007 10:20 AM

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US AG that thought it was OK to run over American citizens with Armored vehicles(then burn their town down), an FBI director that thought "Shoot armed adults on site" was an acceptable Rule of Engagement to utilize against American citizens, and the proliferation of pointless gun control measures and a widening of the War on drugs.
Is that a quote from Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols?

Ah, those were the good old days. We need more of that to keep the freaking nutcases under control. Koresh was a heavily armed nutcase pervert who liked having sex with little girls.
Randy Weaver was a heavily armed nutcase who refused to surrender to a warrant.
They both got what they deserved and I have no sympathy for them.

fastpat 01-05-2007 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
(remember that he was elected TWICE into office)
Bush was elected both times for the same reason Clinton was elected twice; the opponents of both men were LOSERS BOTH times.

It's speculation I know, but if Clinton had run against Bush in 2000 he'd have mopped the floor with him, even more so in 2004. The man Bush feared most, of eligible candidates that is, was Howard Dean. If Dean had been nominated, Bush would have wet himself.

Nathans_Dad 01-05-2007 10:49 AM

Dean has shown his inner nutcase quite admirably since that election, don't cha think??

m21sniper 01-05-2007 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by sammyg2
Is that a quote from Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols?

Ah, those were the good old days. We need more of that to keep the freaking nutcases under control. Koresh was a heavily armed nutcase pervert who liked having sex with little girls.
Randy Weaver was a heavily armed nutcase who refused to surrender to a warrant.
They both got what they deserved and I have no sympathy for them.

So it was justified for the gov't to murder dozens of children then? Those people were ATTACKED by the US gov't. In their trials(well, those that managed to not be incinerated), they were ALL found NOT guilty of all murder and conspiracy charges by a jury of their peers.

Did you even know that?

BTW, the 44 weapons they were supposedly in illegal possession of, NO outside agency has EVER been allowed to examine them. Not ever once.

m21sniper 01-05-2007 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Bush was elected both times for the same reason Clinton was elected twice; the opponents of both men were LOSERS BOTH times.

It's speculation I know, but if Clinton had run against Bush in 2000 he'd have mopped the floor with him, even more so in 2004. The man Bush feared most, of eligible candidates that is, was Howard Dean. If Dean had been nominated, Bush would have wet himself.

Dean the hate-filled socialist? He has no prayer of ever winning a national popular election IMO.

fastpat 01-05-2007 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Dean has shown his inner nutcase quite admirably since that election, don't cha think??
Well, I saw his famous "yell" when it occured, it was of course altered by Rush Limbaugh into something else entirely, and used utterly out of context by lots of neocon operatives. Howard Dean, while not my idea of an excellent candidate (for what should by now be understood), nevertheless would have creamed George W. Bush. Can you imagine Bush on stage with him during a debate? http://images14.fotki.com/v371/photo...19/lmao-vi.gif The lout would have made Dean look positively a genius by comparison.

I've heard others try to show how smart Bush was because he won two elections, but in fact his election team won, by keeping him under strict control, and by ensuring Kerry was the candidate. That shows someone was smart, but not George W..


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