agree
BUT when the theo-conned say the bible
is without error all true ect
it is important to slap the BS label on that quickly

as the big picture is made up of a lot of little bits

I like hearing what you have to say.


KT

Darwin award!
 

Subject: Would You believe it



I thought you would enjoy this little blurb of nonfiction!
Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and
cattle ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico. This is a well-known
incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force
and the federal government.
However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly nine
months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore,Jr., Hillary Rodham,
John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi,
Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and Barbara Boxer were born.
See what happens when aliens breed with sheep...?
This piece of information may clear up a lot of things.

Some earlier posts claim the earth is round .I say shes-a-flat like-a -pizza!Going to the moon in the 1960s ,a trick to scare the Soviets.If a rocket left earths atmosphere into the vacuum of space it would loose traction,like driving a car up a hill and hitting a sheet of ice.And the computers they had back then,if they aimed for the moon they might hit youranus(spell check).

Back to the subject. As I understand Darwin was a very religious young man if his studies on the islands caused any conflicts in his own mind I am unaware.

So, in closing, we can perhaps agree that Darwin and Christ could have been good buddies! Sharing a pint, homing in on a couple of local hotties.

Sure, until the king-o-jews guy is blinked out of existance for all of eternity and the organic-granola guy is torn asunder by a million screaming banshees and tossed into the flames of eternal damnation!

Oh wait, it's saturday not sunday. New rules. Never mind.

I think that religion and science are on a collision course. I think that eventually they will come to the same conclusion. I wonder if those on both sides of the argument who choose to belittle the other side and treat them with disdain will eventually regret their attitudes.

Science and theology work together in harmony if one is able to look at the big picture. Small changes in a transcript can lead to a very different message. For instance, In Genesis, It says that “the world WAS void and without form”. Recent studies have shown that the Hebrew transcripts stated the “the Earth BECAME void and without form.” Ooops, small word..big difference in meaning. Helps explain the whole dinosaur/man time line.

Any person that thinks they fully understand the Bible is either a fool or idiot. The time of the writings, people writing the books, language translations, etc. must all be considered. Sine we cannot travel back in time to know the circumstances, we must either accept or reject what is here for us today. The Bible is simply a history book and guide for those of us that believe that God is the creator and father of us all. It is not a literal instruction manual.

I don’t have to be wrong for you to be right.

Nothing presented as PROVEN science, discredits the Bible.

Science supports the Bible as being TRUE, while the Bible clears up misunderstandings in science.

This is not new.


KT

In the words of Rowan Atkinson:

- Here ends the lesson. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/loki8.gif

Rick....
Where is science belittling religion or belief in a Supreme being? I have not found that since science generally (with a few exceptions) does not involve itself in proving or disproving the unprovable. Or is this something that extremists in both camps like to get people to believe?

I really do not understand how people with truly open minds could ever take such a strong position either way.

Rick, I'm agnostic, not atheist, and try to keep a bit of skeptisism and optimism towards everything.

My views on organized religeon were formed young with the knowledge of the politicism and anti-sciencism of it all.
For instance, a friends father was a holy-roller minister and "laid hands" on my head shouting "devil begone from this child" when we met. They would have old people over, and speaking-in-tongues circles, and then talk of "renewing the will" (if you know what I mean). My friend had all his Star Trek items thrown out because space aliens are demons. Etc, etc...

Throughout history, religeon has always suppressed science because science is a universal knowledge independant of any type of social hierarchy or economic leverage (untill it's used to manufacture goods), and which often contradicts the Bibles teachings of physical reality and above all challenges the church-states power system.
Copernicus, DaVinci, and thousands of others in the past who helped make this global communications system a reality found this out the hard way.

I am sure there is a grain of truth in everything though.
Supposedly there is evidence of an earthquake around the time of the exidous which would have created a low tide-tsunami effect. Many references probably had a very real basis.
Supposedly there was a study done showing that people who were prayed for healed faster (I'm sure there were a lot of other mitigating factors though).
physical matter is comprised of energy that can be transfered, so the scientific provability of the "spirit" is not that farfetched.

Not many modern Bible-Literalists have sacrificed animals or killed their children for swearing though.
The Bible was written by people a couple of millenium ago and times were indeed very different.

You know, I'm pretty impressed with how civil this thread has stayed.

A new trend for '07?

Moneyguy: I didn't say science belittled religion. I simply said some people on both sides present their opinions in belittling ways. Usually when that happens the person doing the belittling gets some egg on his or her face sometime in the future. I may disagree with an atheist, but I do not belittle him or regard him with condescention. The same does not seem to exist very often on the other side. Maybe I've just not met the right athiests yet.

John70t: As I suspected you had some bad experiences with extremists. I'm sorry for that. However, many of the ideas you presented during this thread simply aren't true. I'm sorry that your view on God was ruined by a few people and I hope someday you can look at things again with fresh eyes.

Rick

Sorry if I misunderstood. The word "belittle" was in your post and I took it, along with the comment that science and religion were on a collission course to mean that there was general rancor and nastiness between the two "camps".

I saw a cool thing at the planetarium when I was a kid.... they said that there was (or could have been, I don't recall) 3 planets that lined up together for a couple of days about 2000 years ago...maybe some dudes on camels could have thought it was a star?

"Maybe the Star of Bethlehem wasn't a star after all..."

is god dead?
could a god be mortal?

if you think there was a creator
why does such a being need to continue to exist
after the creation is done?

how would a dead creator be different from
one who got bored and no longer cares
or one who is busy on new different projects elsewhere
and has no time for finished work

BTW I donot belive in fairytales
but why must a god live forever

and or could a ''god'' be a random act
by a passing alien that creates life
without intent
like a bit of trash tossed out