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fintstone · fintstone's Garage

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Originally posted by hatpix
So that would put you in the Nothing for her to do camp. Ok with me.

She could STFU. That would help a lot.

hatpix · hatpix's Garage

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Originally posted by dd74
Homeland Security will definitely be out. The whole idea of that is a joke, particularly when you consider our porous borders and how anything can sneak over and into the U.S.

So you think in essence she would disban / disarm / make impotent Homeland Security?

dd74 · 01-20-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by fintstone
I have really thought hard about your question and cannot think of a single right I have lost. I am just waiting for one of the LA folks you mentioned to tell me which one of the rights I have lost.

It's all relative what rights you have or have not lost. If you wanted to talk to your cousin Habib in Saudi Arabia who plans to strap on a C-4 vest and blow up LAX, yeah, you've lost that right. And with good reason.

fintstone · fintstone's Garage

I am not really sure that is a right...unless you are talking about freedom of speech. I imagine that you could not be prevented from speaking to Habib...but you sure had better be careful what you say.

dd74 · 01-20-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by hatpix
So you think in essence she would disban / disarm / make impotent Homeland Security?

Yes, but not out of it being ineffectual (which to a high degree, it is). Hillary hates The Right. Congress hates The Right. And the Democrats are just stupid enough to bend into their hatred of The Right, when what has happened to The Right is not entirely its fault. It is the fault of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc., who demanded that they represent The Right.

The fact is Reagan was the last great conservative the U.S. has.

Another fact is had Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld been Democrats, the story wouldn't change - only protagonists and antagonists.

EDIT: In short, that hatred will blind-side the Dems into making decisions simply out of spite, not out of reasonable deduction of any issue.

fastpat · 01-20-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by dd74
Rumsfeld, etc., who demanded that they represent The Right.

The fact is Reagan was the last great conservative the U.S. has.

That was Barry Goldwater, Reagan was in the grip of the neocons for most of his presidency, particularly the last 6 years of it. That's when Bush I held sway at the White House. The funding of Hussein by the US government really increased during those years, because Hussein was a Bush family retainer.

dd74 · 01-20-2007, 01:57 PM

But Reagan was more in tune with what a conservative is than Bush II. Sorry, I don't remember much about Barry Goldwater.

fastpat · 01-20-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by dd74
But Reagan was more in tune with what a conservative is than Bush II. Sorry, I don't remember much about Barry Goldwater.

Relatively speaking, you are correct. That reenforces the state of the Republicans today, when Reagan is seen as a genuine conservative it's pretty pathetic.

I'd suggest reading up on the old right, those who opposed Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal and his ginning up to force America into World War Two. Many on this forum have no idea about them.

BertBeagle · 01-20-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by hatpix
I'd like to open for debate the following issue.

Assuming that Senator Clinton gets elected into office in 2008, do you think she will give back of all the rights that Bush & company have taken away?

No because she is a fascist

[/B][/QUOTE]e.g. eavesdropping, guantanamo imprisonment, search & seizure infringements, airport profiling, and the like (add to this list if you like, this is just what comes to mind right away).[/B][/QUOTE]

Call me a hypocrite, but I would hope she would do more airport / border profiling. It is a fundamental way to begin sorting out the bad guys among us from the good guys – no matter what they look like or whre they are from. On all of the above, in the name of security, I think Bush is right.

Hopefully she will not become president.

dd74 · 01-20-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by BertBeagle
No because she is a fascist

e.g. eavesdropping, guantanamo imprisonment, search & seizure infringements, airport profiling, and the like (add to this list if you like, this is just what comes to mind right away).[/B][/QUOTE]

Call me a hypocrite, but I would hope she would do more airport / border profiling. It is a fundamental way to begin sorting out the bad guys among us from the good guys – no matter what they look like or whre they are from. On all of the above, in the name of security, I think Bush is right.

[/B][/QUOTE]
Didja' see how Bush is doing nothing for the two border patrol agents who were convicted for chasing down and shooting a drug smuggler. The agents received eleven and twelve year sentences, and so far, Bush refuses to pardon the agents.

So much for securing our borders when in fact he won't back up our patrol agents.

BertBeagle · 01-20-2007, 03:05 PM

[/B][/QUOTE]
Didja' see how Bush is doing nothing for the two border patrol agents who were convicted for chasing down and shooting a drug smuggler. The agents received eleven and twelve year sentences, and so far, Bush refuses to pardon the agents.

So much for securing our borders when in fact he won't back up our patrol agents. [/B][/QUOTE]

I am not suggesting that I think the whole thing is/was successfully executed. However, given the scope, there will be mistakes and tragedy. To do none of the above, in my opinion, is a bigger mistake and bigger potential tragedy.

Chocaholic · 01-20-2007, 03:06 PM

With Hillary in office, at least we'll have someone in control that understands what it takes to fix our healthcare system. A very impressive track-record, no?

Lots of fun to look forward to under her leadership!

BertBeagle · 01-20-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by Chocaholic
With Hillary in office, at least we'll have someone in control that understands what it takes to fix our healthcare system. A very impressive track-record, no?

Lots of fun to look forward to under her leadership!

She is an enemy of free markets and free trade and will try to destroy small business thus trying to destroy the country. She will be a bigger mistake than either Bush or her husband.

fastpat · 01-20-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Chocaholic
With Hillary in office, at least we'll have someone in control that understands what it takes to fix our healthcare system. A very impressive track-record, no?

Lots of fun to look forward to under her leadership!

The federal government has no authority to "fix the healthcare system" nor can it do so. What Hillarycare would have done is make a few health insurance companies more rich than they already are, and put others out of business.

If you want one of the finest healthcare systems on the planet, at least in the top ten or better, ruined beyond repair, let government get more involved than it already is.

fastpat · 01-20-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by BertBeagle
She is an enemy of free markets and free trade and will try to destroy small business thus trying to destroy the country. She will be a bigger mistake than either Bush or her husband.

Probably so, but the Republicans have been "Dem-lites" so long, none appear to be much better.

Want more scary thoughts? Hillary will take office with a Dem majority in both houses, giving her everything she wants for at least two years.

It's no wonder why the Dems like the Iraq War, it's delivering them back into power.