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Originally posted by VaSteve
I sure hope that there's none of these type people on the plane or the airport:

- the guy in the suit jacket that still doesn't understand (it's 2007 people!) to take off the freaking jacket and dump his stupid change and keyrings into his laptop bag (which he didn't remove :rolleyes:) before getting to the x ray machine.
- the fat person who can't keep their bulk in their seat
- the window seat guy that can't hold it for 2 hours and has to get up to use the bathroom...twice
- the people that can't check their luggage and try to cram all that crap in the overhead.
- the snorer
- the two women that sit in the row behind and can't STFU the whole flight.
- superimportantlaptopman that needs to refer to all the stuff in his bag the whole time, but his cheap ass company flies him in coach
- the idiots that stop at the bottom of the crowded escalator to get their bearings while the rest of the airport piles up behind them
- the 98 pounder with the 200 pounds of luggage...that she could get in.
- starbucks lady with the 1000 degree cup of coffe poised on the edge of the tray table.

pmfsl...now that is funny! Thanks for sharing! Made my day!

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Originally posted by dmoolenaar
...It's funny reading how some adults here say "I was never like that...", "I was a model in good behavior...". That may be true but every kid is different. I think of my wife and I as pretty good parents. We have a son and daughter who could not be more different though they were raised to the same standard.

David, I couldn't agree more. I'm 52 and my kids are 24 and 25. There IS a tendency to think, "the older I get the better I was". I try hard to remember that. My kids weren't angels, they were kids. They would laugh too loud in some inappropriate place or some such. But to pitch a fit so badly that they cannot be made to sit dow? Or to crawl under the airplane seat as the news reports said about this little girl?...uh.....no effing way in my presence.

As for kids all being different - you couldn't be more correct. You know that because you are paying attentiuon to your kids. The kids teach you how to aprent if you are an adult when you have them. There is no, "one size fits all" parenting. I wish it did but that's just one more reason why, "Parenting ain't for Pussies" is true. You've got to be knowledgeable, patient, firm, CONSISTENT, and loving....and.....it....never.....ends, it just changes.

One of my friends who flies frequently has a line he likes to deliver to parents who aren't controlling their children while in-flight.

"If you can't control your child, I'm going to have him (or her) put off the plane."

He says the return look is priceless.

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Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Sounds like Mikester is a part of the problem, and expects those around him to just suck it up. Sorry, too many well-behaved kids on airplanes, in returants, and elswhere to buy his whiney drivel. It most certainly IS possible to control your children in public. The fact that you don't know how should not make others' lives misserable. Too bad there seems to be a dearth of people that realize that very basic courtesey.

You're making the assumption that good kids are good 100% of the time and I can assure you they are not. My son is very well behaved in public and we do a good job of keeping him acting appropriately 95% of the time or so. It's the 5% of the time and the intolerance to that 5% from the people around us that's the killer.

That 5% of the time is what we're talking about. I'm not really talking about the kid in the article anymore either - that is a bit over the top. I'm not sure I would have put them off the flight; a 12 person flight is an easily contained customer service experience. They could have handled it much differently and probably kept all of their customers and not had to provide a refund to anyone.

And yes - I'm angry with my Dad - I think I said that. You're a master of the obvious.

I do not believe I am part of the problem, I believe that the problem is that there are a lot of folks who expect adult behavior and understanding out of children. Of course there are bad parents who you also cannot expect adult behavior out of - they are the biggest problem and give the rest of us and our good kids a bad name.

Oh, and my Dad has had me flying since I was around 5. I've never thrown a tantrum and by all accounts I'm perfect.

I know it is hard to measure by that standard so please don't try. It will only lead to your disappointment (grin)

There is a video clip of the couple and the daughter on CNN. It states that there were 112 people on board. When I read the original article (which also says 112) I read 12, which was likely a mistake on my part.

Doesn't really change anything else I've said - just disclosure.

From the video, they were left stranded at the airport without their car seat and luggage and because they were "kicked off" the plane they were not allowed to board any other plane for 24 hours. No car seat - what the heck are they supposed to do? How are they supposed to go anywhere without a car seat? Seriously.

Oh well...

I know I'll get chastised for reading too much into the video, but I saw one on those typical "no discipline, let the child express herself" dip***** couples. I may be wrong, and maybe I have seen too many in public and I'm jaded. I would like, however, to hear from the other 112. And/or the crew. They do not do that stuff lightly; anyone who has travelled commercially can relate (and many have right here) just how bad a kid can get with no action being taken whatsoever.

Mike, I have raised two boys myself. They are certainly no angels; I don't delude myself. People tell me they are "good kids", and I'm sure you hear the same from your friends. I appologize for my earlier remark; it does sound like you are trying just like most of the rest of us.

My tolerance for that behavior is actually pretty darn high. Raising two kids like me has a way of doing that to a guy. The kid has to be a regular Tazmanian Devil, or Dameon himself, for me to react. I do think, however, when something like flight operations are delayed and interupted, the parents are clearly past dealing with the situation. That's where the rest of us come in. Not that it "takes a village" or anything, but there are a lot of idiots in the village these days.