Who is at fault for the trouble in Gaza

Rearden · 02-01-2007, 06:19 AM

Now that the Palestinians have had their own state now for a few years (Gaza) and things don't appear to be going very well, who is at fault?

Rikao4 · 02-01-2007, 07:19 AM

evolution takes time.
Rika

fastpat · 02-01-2007, 07:39 AM

When are the Israeli's going to leave all of the Palestinian's land?

skipdup · 02-01-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
When are the Israeli's going to leave all of the Palestinian's land?

Wow

Rikao4 · 02-01-2007, 08:18 AM

see them as 2 steps away from a wood club,
let them kill each other.
no loss
Rika

cmccuist · 02-01-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
When are the Israeli's going to leave all of the Palestinian's land?

They're not going to.

fastpat · 02-01-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by cmccuist
They're not going to.

Yes, they are. It's only a matter of when.

One thing is certain, the US government will be forced to stop giving the Israeli's a 4 billion dollar grant every year to facilitate their theft of the lands belonging to other people.

Rikao4 · 02-01-2007, 09:20 AM

****ting in your own yard ,is not rewarded by letting you **** in my yard.
you could give them Tahiti, and they would f@ck that up..
Rika

Rearden · 02-01-2007, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Yes, they are. It's only a matter of when.

One thing is certain, the US government will be forced to stop giving the Israeli's a 4 billion dollar grant every year to facilitate their theft of the lands belonging to other people.

Read about the Camp David Accords of 1978. You might learn something.

john70t · 02-01-2007, 09:21 AM

$4billion is $4bil too much to give to any foreign country.
But then again we're spend somethign close to that every day(week?) in Iwreck.

Religeon be damned. The problem is develope-able/agriculture-able land, and water. Palestinians breed like bunnys and space is running out and Israel has to import to keep up. This would also be a problem if it truelly because a numerically-representative regional democracy.

Israelis currently do everything to impeed the Arabs economy(land confiscation, restrictions, checkpoints etc..), and Arabs currently take every progressive liberty to wreck violence and shoot themselves in the foot. I think it was "goto 10" in Basic.

Eye for an eye makes the world blind. They are both foreign countries.

fastpat · 02-01-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Rikao4
****ting in your own yard ,is not rewarded by letting you **** in my yard.
you could give them Tahiti, and they would f@ck that up..
Rika

I don't know where you got that idea from, sounds like AIPAC propaganda.

Every time the Palestinians build infrastructure, the Israeli's bomb it, then cut off the water into both Gaza and in some areas of the West Bank. The Israeli's continue to build illegal settlements on Palestinian land in the West Bank, and to hold Palestinian land within what is now shown as Israel.

The Israeli's have broken far more UN resolutions than any other mideast country.

BlueSkyJaunte · 02-01-2007, 09:29 AM

If the Arabs laid down their weapons today, there would be peace tomorrow. If the Israelis laid down their weapons today, there would be no Jews left alive in the Middle East.

fastpat · 02-01-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by BlueSkyJaunte
If the Arabs laid down their weapons today, there would be peace tomorrow. If the Israelis laid down their weapons today, there would be no Jews left alive in the Middle East.

That's pure Israel Lobby agitprop, and nothing else.

The Israeli's must returned all stolen lands, then there might be peace.

BlueSkyJaunte · 02-01-2007, 09:35 AM

And who stole the land from the Jews in the first place?

fastpat · 02-01-2007, 09:43 AM

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And who stole the land from the Jews in the first place?

No one, unless you want to go back to the Roman times. Even that is tenuous because most of the european Jews that moved to Palestine haven't a single drop of Semitic blood running in their veins.

That most of the Jews that moved to Palestine, came from europe and haven't a single legitimate claim to the land in the mideast, just like I don't have a claim to any of it.

The claims by europeans who happen to be Jews to the land would of course establish a Christian claim to the land, and I suppose I should assert a claim on it too. That would be theft, just as the Israeli's are perpetrating today.

Moneyguy1 · 02-01-2007, 12:41 PM

On the other hand, it is to the advantage of the Middle Eastern Muslim states to keep the situation at a low roiling boil. Had the "displaced" peoples been welcomed into other ME countries, there would have been no long term problem, especially after three generations. Look up the policies of the other countries. They would rather keep the Palestines where they are rather than incorporate them into other middle east nations. It keeps the conflict alive.

What civilization does not have somewhere in its history, the fact they took lands from others? Not defending or accusing, just pointing out that the one thing we can depend on geopolitically is continual change.

fastpat · 02-01-2007, 12:46 PM

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On the other hand, it is to the advantage of the Middle Eastern Muslim states to keep the situation at a low roiling boil. Had the "displaced" peoples been welcomed into other ME countries, there would have been no long term problem, especially after three generations. Look up the policies of the other countries. They would rather keep the Palestines where they are rather than incorporate them into other middle east nations. It keeps the conflict alive.

What civilization does not have somewhere in its history, the fact they took lands from others? Not defending or accusing, just pointing out that the one thing we can depend on geopolitically is continual change.

Using that rationale, I and 100,000 others of documented Scottish decent, should smuggle guns and ourselves into Scotland, get backing of some large and powerful country in the UN, and take back all the lands taken from us by the English 500 years ago.

Do I really need to tell you that the above isn't rational, but taking back land from which your father was evicted 60 years ago, or less, is legitimate?

Moneyguy1 · 02-01-2007, 01:29 PM

And just who did the Scots take it from in the first place? And who did the forerunners of the Scots get it from?

It is an unending drama, pat....I never ends. Every beginning is the end of something else. Let's keep it Civil and logical, huh?

john70t · 02-01-2007, 01:43 PM

Doesn't Israel/Palistine really belong to the Caenanite's, or whoever was there before them?

Let's not forget we are all living on American Indian tribal lands, fresh from less than 200 years ago.

Moneyguy1 · 02-01-2007, 01:46 PM

John..

How easily we forget when we have an axe to grind!!!

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