Cindy Sheehan Labels Viet Nam Veterans “Rightist Haters of America”

[rcecale]

February 13, 2007

Hearing of the proposed March 17, 2007 March on the Pentagon, slated to assemble at the Constitution Gardens, which contains the Viet Nam Memorial, concerned Viet Nam Veterans have banded together, organizing a call to other veterans to protect our Memorial, calling themselves 'Gathering of Eagles' to protect Vietnam Veterans Wall.

Ms. Sheehan, better known as Momma Moonbat, has gotten wind of this and in true fashion, has posted a reply of her own, Rightest America Haters.

In her fashion of ranting uncontrollably without thinking of what she spews or its effects, she calls those who are concerned about her group’s upcoming actions, “self-proclaimed patriots.” “so called "Gathering of Eagles",” and “poor misguided, brainwashed and propagandized, "Eagles",” then goes on to remind us of HER first amendment rights and the oath that we and her son took upon entering or reenlisting in the Military and calling on us to join her march “if [we] really believed in this country and what [we] ostensibly "fought for".”

Ms. Sheehan, we don’t need you to remind us of anything. We know full well there are over 58,000 names of our brothers on that Wall. We also know that we had that war basically won after we totally defeated the North Vietnamese Communists in their ill fated Tet of ’68 Offensive.

We know that the North Vietnamese, under the command of General Vo Ngyuen Giap, was considering a “negotiated surrender” after his forces were decimated in that failed Offensive.

We know that he saw and heard the words of Walter Cronkite describe their failure as a ‘victory’ for them and a ‘defeat’ for us.

We know that is what encouraged them to forgo the surrender and fight on from the shadows in ‘hit and run’ fashion, as agents of the KGB infiltrated the anti-war left of the time and whipped up false stories of mass mutiny’s, fraggings, drug usage, atrocities, un-prosecuted war crimes, suicides and other such nonsense you came to believe, relegating us first as deranged walking time bombs then to ‘victimized’ deranged walking time bombs.

We know that the current enemy, the Islamofascists, is following the pattern learned and set by the North Vietnamese to inflict death on American troops and drain the public support of our troops and their mission.

All these years later and we still see and hear this misguided rhetoric from you people as you continue to label us as “poor misguided, brainwashed and propagandized.”

At the website linked above, addressing the assembly point, we read, “This is not the Vietnam Memorial itself… We will not be in the Vietnam Memorial and all speakers for amplified sound are turned away from the Memorial so as not to interfere with family members visiting the site.” Gathering of Eagles will be present to ensure that is in fact what you do.

In regards to Gathering of Eagles presence to protect the Wall, Sheehan says, “I have never spat on anything. I have never thrown paint on anything. I wonder which propaganda for profit news source these "Eagles" get their information from?” What “propaganda for profit” source?

January 25, 1995 New York Times, “Veterans' Memorial on L.I. Vandalized.”

December 1, 2006, “Veterans cemetery in Fernley, NV vandalized.”

March 31, 2003, California “American Legion in Raising Funds To Replace Vandalized Memorial ”

July 31, 2006, Corpus Christi, Texas “Veterans Memorial repair still not complete”

April 4, 2004, San Marcos, Texas “Vandals Deface Veterans Memorial”

January 2007, Pittsburgh, “War Memorial vandalized”

In addition to the above incidents, states have started talking about passing stronger laws about defacing Veterans Memorials;

Chicago 2006, maximum fine for defacing a veterans memorial [should] be increased from $500 to $750

2003 California, VANDALISM OF VETERANS' MEMORIAL OR MONUMENT

Clearly, there is ample concern over vandalism to Veterans Memorials, regardless of what Sheehan thinks. Did she forget when the Anti-war protesters spray paint Capitol building recently.


Cindy asks, “do you wish that the Iraq War Memorial have 58,000 names on it?”

No, Ms. Sheehan, we do not. That is why we are still adhering to our oath you quoted, “..I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..” That would include self aggrandizing parents of a fallen hero who bash veterans that do not join her misguided anti-American protests and encourage our enemies to kill more troops.

Gathering of Eagles will be there too, Cindy, protecting the Wall and exercising THEIR first amendment freedoms.

Lew
No, no, no...this is NOT Lew Rockwell.

Randy

[dd74]

She's crazy. I don't think anyone even listens to her.

[legion]

She'll be front-page news again during the next election cycle.

[Jim Bremner]

I heard that she was dateing slowpaste

[Rearden]

Originally posted by Jim Bremner
I heard that she was dateing slowpaste

I know she was (is?) dating Paste's guru.
http://www.secondbreakfast.net/archives/003067.html

That is disgusting.

[red-beard]

My wife ran into her at a yoga class here in Houston...hasn't seen her since.

[stuartj]

LOL, Nice balanced piece Randy. Where do you get this stuff?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by stuartj
LOL, Nice balanced piece Randy. Where do you get this stuff?

Straight out of his arse.

[cool_chick]

She's not calling Vietnam Vets "rightist America haters, she's calling those....

".....she calls those who are concerned about her group’s upcoming actions, “self-proclaimed patriots.” “so called "Gathering of Eagles",” and “poor misguided, brainwashed and propagandized, "Eagles",” then goes on to remind us of HER first amendment rights and the oath that we and her son took upon entering or reenlisting in the Military and calling on us to join her march “if [we] really believed in this country and what [we] ostensibly "fought for".”


These are the "rightist America haters" according to her. The title of this thread is misleading.

[nota]

GOP supporters love the BIG LIE
and cannot use the truth as it does not follow their program
wonder WHO taught them that trick?
and what else they borrow from that evil program?

[CRH911S]

It's unfortunate a sacred war memorial is being used in this manner. It's equally unfortunate the real purpose of the article which is to suggest those of us to the left of center have anything to do with the vandalism. Randy, shame on you for attempting to further such propoganda...so un-American and disrepectful to what it means to be a Veteran.

[john70t]

The infiltration of protest groups is a long-known tactic used by police/etc.
A few "select" people join, become roudy and cause trouble, then the whole group gets squashed after the media reports it.

The memorial is the wrong forum for Sheehan though, quite disrespectful.
The people who thought up and started 'Nam aren't on the wall.

[many944s]

I would love to see a psych eval on that woman!!

[fastpat]

Originally posted by john70t
The infiltration of protest groups is a long-known tactic used by police/etc.
A few "select" people join, become roudy and cause trouble, then the whole group gets squashed after the media reports it.

The memorial is the wrong forum for Sheehan though, quite disrespectful.
The people who thought up and started 'Nam aren't on the wall.

Agent provocateurs.

a·gent pro·vo·ca·teur (ă-zhäN' prô-vô'kä-tœr') pronunciation
n., pl. a·gents pro·vo·ca·teurs (ă-zhäN' prô-vô'kä-tœr').

A person employed to associate with suspected individuals or groups with the purpose of inciting them to commit acts that will make them liable to punishment.

[MRM]

Originally posted by nota
GOP supporters love the BIG LIE
and cannot use the truth as it does not follow their program
wonder WHO taught them that trick?
and what else they borrow from that evil program?

The GOP formed its political playbook from watching FDR and LBJ. Just to answer your direct question.

To finish answering your questions, what else they learned from that program (I would call the Great Society over reaching but I wouldn't call it evil, that's a bit extreme) is that the American voter can be bribed with the spoils of their own tax dollars, and that the increase in government expenditures increases the power of the incumbent and smaller government leads to less money and power for those who control the purse strings. LBJ was the king at that, but GW shows he grasped that lesson.

[911pcars]

"I would love to see a psych eval on that woman!!"

Yeah. She acts like someone just killed her son for no reason.

Are the Swift boat vets forming a reunion? Let's assassinate her character. After all, it is more effective than attacking her point of view. Let's see. In the 2000 primaries, McCain was pronounced a womanizer. When that didn't stick, he was called gay, then they "revealed" his daughter was born out of wedlock to a black prostitute and his wife was a drug addict. Hmmm. Sound like a familiar MO?

"They", btw, were members of McCain's own party. Gotta love em'. They do what they gotta do.

Sherwood

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 911pcars
"I would love to see a psych eval on that woman!!"

Yeah. She acts like someone just killed her son for no reason.

Are the Swift boat vets forming a reunion? Let's assassinate her character. After all, it is more effective than attacking her point of view. Let's see. In the 2000 primaries, McCain was pronounced a womanizer. When that didn't stick, he was called gay, then they "revealed" his daughter was born out of wedlock to a black prostitute and his wife was a drug addict. Hmmm. Sound like a familiar MO?

"They", btw, were members of McCain's own party. Gotta love em'. They do what they gotta do.

Sherwood

Actually, she acts like someone that is not too bright and let a little press go to her head. It is a pity that she fell for the Hollywood lies.

Speaking of Hollywood lies...your story about McCain's daughter is just that. Why do you spread such crap? No reasonable person would believe it...especially without a shred of evidence to back it up. Guys like you are the reason Sheehan is the way she is. She is too stupid to separate the fact from fiction.

[911pcars]

"Speaking of Hollywood lies...your story about McCain's daughter is just that. Why do you spread such crap? No reasonable person would believe it...especially without a shred of evidence to back it up. Guys like you are the reason Sheehan is the way she is. She is too stupid to separate the fact from fiction."

Yes. The innuendos about McCain's daughter were lies. Evidently, there were voters in SC who believed it. No. I didn't lie about reading about it.

I'll link. You can browse if you'd like........
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/politics/16668271.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_politics
http://www.bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522
http://scoobiedavis.blogspot.com/2007/02/is-it-2000-south-carolina-primary-all.html
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/14/sc_pols/index.html
http://www.topix.net/content/kri/2967733688402101388927708447032745050754
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/03/1457251
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/26/31853/5881
http://2008mccain.blogspot.com/2007/02/mccain-and-south-carolina.html
http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2006/03/lott_endorses_m.html
http://www.nysun.com/article/46427
http://thestranger.com/blog/2007/01/the_contenders_john

Sherwood

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 911pcars
"Speaking of Hollywood lies...your story about McCain's daughter is just that. Why do you spread such crap? No reasonable person would believe it...especially without a shred of evidence to back it up. Guys like you are the reason Sheehan is the way she is. She is too stupid to separate the fact from fiction."

Yes. The innuendos about McCain's daughter were lies. Evidently, there were voters in SC who believed it. No. I didn't lie about reading about it...
Sherwood

I believe that you read about it...but you are furthering the liberal lie which is to imply that it came from President Bush and his campaign. Even the op ed "articles" you linked to use terms like "Rovian" to describe what happened in an attempt to falsely implicate the President's campaign. I suspect it was more likely to have originated with the Democrats...but we may never know. Apparently the voters realized that it was a bunch of BS despite the best efforts of the liberal press and moveon.scum to make it some sort of presidential conspiracy.

[911pcars]

Originally posted by fintstone
I believe that you read about it...but you are furthering the liberal lie which is to imply that it came from President Bush and his campaign. Even the op ed "articles" you linked to use terms like "Rovian" to describe what happened in an attempt to falsely implicate the President's campaign. I suspect it was more likely to have originated with the Democrats...but we may never know. Apparently the voters realized that it was a bunch of BS despite the best efforts of the liberal press and moveon.scum to make it some sort of presidential conspiracy.

So you're saying:
The Dems did this to McCain so Bush would win the SC primary.

The Dems set up a network of phone banks in SC or elsewhere and conducted these push-pull polls ....and thus the Dems and Bush were partners in this campaign against McCain.

Bush and McCain were in an extremely tight primary battle in SC, and because of this, GW, campaign staff and/or his supporters would never have done this.

If the voters had recognized this as an obvious smear campaign and BS as you say, they would have voted for McCain (but they didn't).

All the articles attributed the smear campaign to Bush supporters. I left out the obvious "left wing" sources. The official Bush campaign would never officially link themselves to this, thus you're right as usual since McCain is currently fully backing Bush. Apparently, thick skins among dirty campaigns prevail.

BTW, I couldn't find any right wing, religious, homophobic, morally indignant, conservative, right-to-life or extremist blogs or news sources that support your liberal conspiracy assertions which would have been big news back then or eventually since it all happened in 2000. Please clue me in on some. I must not be looking in the correct Internets.

Can I inhale some of your mushrooms?

Sherwood