This statement is blatant nationalism.

AND you're putting words in my mouth.

I am not having a go at Americans.

Actually, if you read through my posts, you'll notice that I haven't actually called anyone 'racist'.

I've simply implied that some of what people have posted up here has 'racist undertones'.

Many of the posters don't specify a location in their profile, so for all I know, they could be from anywhere in the world.

My beef is not with Americans, but with people who discriminate on the basis of race.

Are you suggesting that I should not contribute to a discussion on race simply bec I am Australian? Only Americans welcome on this discussion topic, you think? :confused:

What "Race" ?



oh, and, you say that you are not calling anyone "racist" still?

...anyway, in school, I learned Spanish mostly so I, as an English major, could communicate.

That says something. :D

My solution is to move to Mexico (seriously...).

Lots of new condos going up at Rocky Point!! (also known as Tucson's Beach)

Yeah, but 50 out of 100 involve non-hispanics.

. . .who stop for the paperwork.

The topic was allowing illegal aliens to drive. I really don't believe we need to spend a day in the shoes of an illegal to realize that illegals (or anyone else) without license, insurance, and often unsafe vehicles should not be permitted to drive. The simple facts are that most of them are Hispanic and they are a serious problem on the road...as well as for many other reasons. It seems that many folks that are willing to break our laws to enter our country ...do not respect our other laws either.

Buenos Suerte!

What part of illeagal is so unclear. To get back on topic, it is sad that a woman was killed during a traffic accident..............it happens. The driver being "illeagal" or not isn't much of an issue at this point, a life has been taken...............Sad fact of life.
The part that ticks me off to the point of loading up a few guns is the illeagal part. This needs to be stopped by any means. My fathers parents came to this country, leagally, through Ellis island in the 30's. My Grandfather from Germany and my Grandmother from Hungury. They came here to escape Hitler, they feared his ideas. The border was opened up for them and they lived the American dream.
My mothers grandparents came here from Itally, the same way, through the island and lived the American dream. I am only the 2.5 generation born in this country..............my family (both sides did it the correct way).
Why is it so hard for the wave of Illeagals to follow in the footsteps of those who came before them, and do it the right way? Stay out of my schools, stay out of my hospitols, stay out of my wallet, and unless you do it the right way stay out of my country.
The policys set up to help imigrants start a new life are so giving there is no reason to sneek in and steal from the collective tax payers. Working under the table, not paying taxes, and recieving benifits from the government is theft.

Coming soon to a state near U

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I got your racist hanging cabrone -

Torro SmileWavy

yeah lets run them out of town as well !

I hate you white people.

yeah lets run them out of town as well ;)

well, there is a solution off course
but y'all won't like it

we in Europe, regulary have cops perform an area wide bunch of check points where they check for

- crooks with stolen goods
- drunk drivers
- uninsured drivers
- illegal aliens
-takes unsafe vehicles off the road
-takes people off the road without drivers licences (suspended or simply not having any)
-busts folks who have a warrant on their head...

now, these things work in more then one way


but again , from the other thread it's clear that regular US citizens will not accept a minor hastle like showing their papers and blowing in a breathalizer , because it infringes on their "freedom"

it's one or the other i think
cannot have no checkpoints and active searches for illegal drivers
and at the same time complain that there's illegals driving...

the only alternative is having holographic TAtoo's on the forehead of valid residents, so cops can see that they are not illegal... but i guess that's worse than the occasional checkpoint and showing ones papers

Wel lyour point is valid of course but there you havethe issue at hand. When our "freedoms"(as you refer to them) are threatened yes we get angry. It is not easy to force us into a European mindset when it comes to freedom of movement. We have never had to present our "papers" in order to move through our country. We don't consider it a "minor" hassle. We WOULD consider it an infringement on our rights. To introduce such a step now would indeed be a step backward. It may come to that , I can't say. But it would indeed be a step back towards one ofthe conditions that has plagued much of the world from the start, the necessity to proveto some authority that you have the right to go where you wish. But as I say, because our own government has apparently allowed it to happen it may indeed come to that.

but why do you find "showing papers and blowing in a breathaliser" a restriction of anything, except for crooks, drunks, uninsured and illegal aliens that is...

honestly , i never have found a checkpoint anything other then 10 minutes delay, i've had my drivers licence for more then 12 years, and maybe seen 3-4 of them... all in all, 40 minutes worth in 12 years.. big deal ... unless you are living on the road, like say a trucker, they are far and few between, and still effective as both deterrant and actuall busts...

exactly. politicians need to be held accountable. they need to wake up and realize that they work for us, and they represent us, the taxpayer. and not their buddies in corporations (ie. cheap labor) and votes from illegals to get re-elected.

at some point, it will be too late to "cure" illegal immigration. all this talk about the "war on terror" since 9/11 and yet border security is almost non-existent. astounding.

I suppose we'll have to wait for that terrorist with a nuclear suitcase to sneak in thru Mexico and detonate in NYC with a million dead before anything is done.

I'm looking at Chile, too.

well, that's how it reads. ;)

lol

Unfortunately he is right. I REALLY don't like it, but he's right. Problem is until the ENTIRE border is secured it would be rough going.

It sure is troubling that we have assets to tell the rest of the world how to live but can't quite get control of our borders.

Unfortunately, you have hit it on the head. We are already too late, and yes, that is exactly what it is going to take.

Yep. Want to get a dirty bomb or suitcase nuke or 55-gallon drum of VX gas into the US? Just drive it into Mexico (no big deal) and then drive it north right into the USA without anyone batting an eye.

Illegal eliens (undocumented immigrants) have lots of rights. It is their perception that they have almost unlimited rights. Here's a local example from last week: A car runs a stop light. The police try to stop it, but it continues on. They follow it to where it turns into a driveway at a residence. They exit their cars & approach the car. It drives forward into the garage door. They yell for the drive to stop. The driver puts it in reverse and rams into one of the police cars. The driver then puts it in forward and heads for the police. The police shoot the guy trying to run them over. That was only last week, and the family is already suing the city & police for killing their undocumented, 18 yr. old nephew who ran from and tried to run over the police officers.
Also, don't get me started on the Mexican citizens who cross the border without licenses (Mexican or American), insurance, vehicles in dangerous mechanical condition and that spew out polution that we have to pay for & have our cars smogged for.

Hey, don't you disrespect my cuuulture, man.

Yep - what about the two border patrol officers who while apprehending an illegal drug dealer from Mexico shot him. Last I heard, both officers are going to prison - for doing their jobs and protecting the U.S.

Whose country is this, again?

I expect if you took a vote the majority of Americans would approve of these types of road blocks. The people that have to convince are the ACLU type of laywers. They like to block all things designed for the greater good, in order to protect the few that might get cought doing something.
Where I live we have drunk driving checkpoints on the weekends, It helps. They do occasional license checkpoints, I havn't seen one for a while.
We need to wake up and realise that by giving a little up for the greater good would in the long run give us more in return. Living here is a previlage, not a rite....................Too bad we are allowing it to get screwed up.

You'd also have to convince millions of guys like me not to reach for our "militia tools", to thin out what is obviously a problem government. :cool:

This chaos in our culture, caused by the liberals, can only be solved by surveilance technowlogy integrated in the daily lives of all citizens (not cleared by the government).
You will be assimilated.

I'm just tired of playing by the rules,when these folks have been given the green light, that our rules& laws don't apply to them.

the U.S. is over, done !
it's just a waste of time to get upset over this....
Rika

Boy this topic makes me mad! I was hit by an illegal resident last summer, she in fact totaled my S6. I was getting out of my car, and she tried to drive off with half the front end of her car hanging off. A good samaritan stood in front of her car and ultimately got her keys from the ignition.

The police arrived and of course, no insurance, and better yet no license. The good samaritan confirms my account of the incident that she simply blew through the stoplight and hit my on the overpass. The other driver tells the officer that her boyfriend had done a brake job on her van and had not done it correctly, and therefore it was not her fault. Granted this is on a 10 year old minivan that from all appearances should never have been on the road in the first place.

This is where I lost it, the office writes her a ticket for careless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, no license, and no insurance. And guess what? He has to let her go, she actually got drive away with nothing more than a future court date! The office tells me he is sorry that it's all he can do within the confines of the law, since drugs or alcohol were not involved.

Of course my insurance company totals out my car, I'm left with the deductible and the job of finding a new vehicle. Now, I'm still pretty upset a month later and I ask my brother, who's a lawyer to help me file a small claims suit, which I do. I had an agency serve her with the suit and they found her at her place of work. So I figured I was set, the judgment would be servers and we would seek a wage garnish according to my brother. Ha! no such luck.

She of course fails to show for court, I get a default judgment and I contact the same company that served her to help collect the judgment. This "job" that she has is under the table employment at a construction companies offices, and therefore I can't collect. I'm still sitting at this point with a judgment, and nothing to show for it. Something needs to change with the laws in this country, I don't know what, but something.

Well you shouldn't have been driving in her land. --I imagine that will be her defense.

I actually forgot a detail here, the van was registered to another individual, who she claimed to be her boyfriend. In fact the car was not registered at all. I was hoping to exercise the judgment against the vehicle owner, however there is no owner technically. They had purchased the vehicle from the former owner and had never transfered the plates or the registration.

The original owner of the vehicle was very thankful that I had contacted him. He had no idea that someone was driving around with his old plates and registration.

no offence , but that's just a stupid system then

in Holland , you buy a car, you get the title, you go to post office, put it in your name, and then you get a "clearance" document, go to PO , give him the clearance, get the keys...

impossible to have anyone drive in your name
you do not give the car and keys if you do not have proof of transfer because otherwise you are 100%liable for speeding tickets and what not done with that car...

i don't say it often, but cars and titles are very well arrange in Holland, better then Belgium (title does not exist, the car is not in the name of who owns it, just in the name of who payed for the insurance... if you steal somebodies licence plate, and mail it to the dmv , you cancel his insurance automatically without him knowing...)

i'll admit , this is one of few things i like a bout Holland... rest of the country is nukking futs

Our elected officials are a bunch of drunk driving drug using criminals. Why would they vote for that?

just abide to the law's & rules you like....
it works for them!
Rika

why did you vote for those officials then?

right, 2 party system ... no choice and they know it

I didn't. I don't think i've ever voted for a politician who has won.

Is there a chance we could talk you into voting for ALL the incumbents in '08?