Illegals should not be allowed to drive
 

A few days ago, I saw on the news that a hispanic man who did not have a drivers license killed a woman and her unborn child. There is an investigation going on to determine whether he was in the country illegally. Now this kind of thing really irks me. The number of people driving on the streets today with invalid or no drivers licenses I'm sure is astounding. Anyone have the numbers on that?

The poor girl was coming home from visiting her grandmother, something I do as I'm very close to my grandma...it was just heartbreaking.

In case anyone is wondering, it happened in the town of Landis, NC. Such a shame, really.

Somebody needs to do something about this. What is currently being done is clearly not enough.

Another case recently involved a man with a DWI and revoked license was driving and killed a woman and her 2 (or 3) young children.

I always try to drive carefully, but there's no way I can keep someone else from hitting me on account of their wreckless and irresponsible driving.

It's a dangerous world out there. Be safe, all.

blame the US government. they have failed to secure the border , and to protect us from these kinds of crimes, including the large amounts of illegal drugs smuggled into this country.

what the hell are they doing up there in Washington? it seems all politicians care about is making their wallets fat.

Illegal immigration = Cheap Labor = High Corporate Profits.

Corporations = US Government.

there you go, it's not very complicated.

it's all about the money

SmileWavy

Illegals should not be allowed to come in to the States -- maybe if we made it illegal -- oh, wait...

Hey !! Lets close down Iraqs border first!! :rolleyes:

"Illegal alien" is such a strong term for these poor, misunderstood refugees of a hard life that want nothing more than to embrace America, American culture, respect its laws and traditions and assimilate into our culture. We might hurt their widdle feelings if we don't start calling them "undocumented immigrants" and giving them free access to our hospitals, schools, roads and courts. :rolleyes:

It is an interesting situation when the president of our country speaks about toughening immigration laws, when at the same time has "Viva Bush" stickers distributed to areas of high illegal alien population.

Send the illegals in iraq to close the border. Two problems solved at once. Ha!

Aurel

you forgot the :rolleyes:

3 of every 6 accidents in California are hit and run by hispanics.

They are seen running from the crash. I wonder why?

You'd think they could afford to pay for the auto insurance with the credit card offered to 'illegals' by Bank of America.

Illegal voters in SoCal recently elected the hispanic mayor of Los Angeles by a vast majority.

Have you taken a transcontinental red-eye flight lately? The flight attendants hide after the briefing. No one on the full plane speaks english or has bathed since crossing the border. All the belongings they could swim with are stuffed into the overhead compartments or under the seats. The coyotes are rushing them to their new jobs ASAP.

Guys, the cow is well out of the barn, and the pasture as well.

It's all over here in the west, the rest of the country is not too far behind.

Get used to it.

Whoops, you're right. Fixed it.

Been thinking about moving to Idaho or Montana again. They do not put up with that crap up there.

Illegals are told not to let the sun set with them still in town or they are run out the next morning from what friends of mine say.

Cannot say that I blame them and its time to seal the border... No smiley face here, am dead serious.

Joe A

Re: Illegals should not be allowed to drive
 

I am not hispanic, but...

This thread has racist undertones.

I put it to you that:

* The issue is NOT that the man in question was hispanic, or that he was an illegal immigrant, but that he was driving unlicenced, and in a dangerous/culpable manner

* His residency/visa status is a SEPERATE issue to the accident

* I am sure there are far more US residents driving around without licences than there are illegal immigrants driving around without licences

* I am sure that there are comparable numbers of fatal accidents involving US residents, as compared to illegal immigrants

I also put it to you that opinions should be based on FACT, EDUCATION, & EXPERIENCE

If you have never been an illegal immigrant; if you have never dealt first hand with illegal immigrants; if you can't quote the studies that reveal the statistics that pertain to the lives and activities and impact of illegal immigrants - then perhaps you have no RIGHT to an opinion on them?

Not taking pot-shots at anyone, just food for thought...

I am "illegal" and I drive illegally....but nothing special only a 911 Turbo.

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Well, that should end this thread. ;)

Says the guy from Australia with 27 posts. I bet they have first hand experience with illegal hispanics over there !

Aurel

There is a very good reason it's "illegal". Illegal immigration causes harms to people that live here lawfully, play by the rules, pay their taxes, and contribute to the system.

if we don't stop this now, the US will turn into a susburb of Los Angeles, with pot shops on every corner.
unfortunately those in power think the "war on terror" is 5,000 miles away in Iraq and not here at home. how sad is that?

:) , we in Australia have our fair share of illegal imigrants, border protection issues, and racism.

And my number of posts on Pelican BBS doesn't necessarily reflect my life experience.

Best wishes

Isn't it obvious......
The US waited too long to annex Mexico,
So now, Mexico is annexing the US!

Just what is that racist remark suppoed to mean!? You've got a prob' with us yanks, do ya? :mad: :mad: :mad:




















btw, that's kinda how you sound. SmileWavy

President Vicente Fox on Wednesday criticized the United States' decision to strengthen its border security and complete a wall along the two countries common border calling it "disgraceful and shameful."
ASSOCIATED PRESS, December 14, 2005

When asked if he would help in preventing illegal crossings, Fox made it clear, as if that were necessary anyway, that Mexico would not attempt to prevent Mexicans from illegally crossing into the U.S.A.

“We can’t infringe upon the right of people to move freely within our territory.”

Mexico's Televisa television network: "With all due respect to Uncle Sam, this shows Los Angeles has never stopped being ours."

In 1997, then Mexican President Zedillo addressing a Chicago audience announced that the Mexican nation extended beyond its borders.

YOU CAN READ MORE HERE: "KISS LA GOODBYE"

http://www.lawatchdog.com/KissLAgoodby6329.html

Re: Re: Illegals should not be allowed to drive
 

another bleeding heart heard from

Just to clarify:

I am NOT supporting ILLEGAL immigration, or anything illegal for that matter

I am trying to illustrate that there IS a difference between being against illegal immigration, and being racist.

Consider, is the issue under discussion the fact that

a) an UNLICENCED man hit and killed a pregnant woman OR

b) an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT hit and killed a pregnant woman OR

c) an HISPANIC man hit and killed a pregnant woman OR

d) an HISPANIC ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT hit and killed a pregnant woman?

Which of the above choices is a valid social/political stance, and which is blatantly racist?

My wife and I were talking about this issue just yesterday. We live in a small town of 20 thousand in the panhandle of Texas. 30 years ago when my wife was in high school she had 3 hispanics all probably legal in her graduating class of 360. My son who graduates in May will have 30% of his class of 300. No telling how many are legal.

Everyday there are hispanics in deadly crashes around here. An inordinate amount and they take out innocent people every time. What brought this to our attention yesterday was an illegal who had crashed his car nearly through a house. He picks probably the only road in town with a tight curve to try and evade the cops, hits the curb and flies through the air into the 2nd story of a house. Kills him and luckily the house was not occupied at the time. These people are in the country illegally making good money and do not know how to drive.

What if a unlicenced gay albino midget hit a pregnant woman?

Some of my best friends are Mexikins.

HEHEHE, damn those unlicenced gay albino midgets...

DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!

:p

hispanic IS NOT A RACE
THERE ARE WHITE, BLACK, AND RED INDIAN, WHO ARE HISPANIC
AND MIXES OF ALL THREE

hispanic IS A LAGUGAGE AND A CULTURE

well I'm half hispanic,

cual es LAGUGAGE?

It's a luggage mixed with a language - a lagugage.

I would have called them wetbacks like we did when I was a kid but I wanted to be PC with this crowd. Sorry, I'll call them wetbacks from now on.

Congratulations - a gal has started a controversial discussion!
(Insert smiley face here)

I have to agree with our Aussie friend - and not just because I'm really late in shipping him some parts (hoping to get 'em out Thursday!). I see a lot of misconceptions and incorrect 'facts' toted around about illegals here (example: they all work 'under the table'). Seeing as those on this forum seem to surpass the nominal intelligence of the general populace (sad as that sounds), I have to assume that the general populace is even more grossly misinformed. That's scary.

I don't get into these discussions much. Especially where the Californians and Texans are concerned, rational discourse probably isn't likely at this point. Some facts about me:
-I have direct experience with illegal immigration
-I frequently discuss this issue with Latinos, and in plain English OR Spanish let them know how wrong I think illegal immigration is, and what I think should be done about it (we can get into that in another thread - keep in mind I'm a corporate spook and official pawn of The Man - you might be surprised about my views).

Nonetheless, I am going to try get into the spirit of this thread. I can think of two things I believe would have a greater impact on highway safety:

-Ban cel phone use while driving unless hands-free
-Ban women drivers

Discuss.

es no problema

tu es burro

Well, at least the woman driver comment isn't racist. ...not sure about cell phone users. I think "a culture" = "Race" now. A culture of cell users = Ya racist pig. ;)

My father-in-law is hispanic, we are very close. My mother-in-law immigrated from Russia, we are very close. They both came into this country LEGALLY. They both speak fluent english and live an american lifestyle, while holding onto some of their heritage. My best friend in the whole world immigrated legally from South Vietnam. He speaks english well and has an engineering degree. his sister is on staff at UCLA medical center as a professor/doctor. They worked very hard to become part of America and I am proud of them for their efforts and their success.
So don't give me any of that racial card BS. I am not a racist.
I am however, an American who loves this country and do not want to watch it decay. I want to leave my children a place where they can enjoy the same opportunities I had. It is their legacy and I will not stand by and let others take or give that away.

I am very, very strongly opposed to illegal immigration. I cannot stress that enough. I support a controlled legal immigration program, but do not agree with ANYONE who supports uncontrolled or illegal immigration.
If immigrants come into this country or any other country at a rate faster than can be assimilated, there will be problems.
We have problems. Major problems.
If immigrants want to come here and be American and be part of this great country, I support that at a CONTROLLLED rate.
But if immigrants want to come here and not be American, but instead want to make America more like the coultry they came from, I have a serious problem with that and will fight it, and I do.

US government statistics show that Hispanic immigrants are 3 times more likely to be involved in an alcohol related automobile accident that people who are native to this country. I posted links to that study a few weeks ago. They do not state what percentage of those in the study are illegal, because they are not allowed to ask because it might OFFEND someone. Bah!
Around the same time, I posted studies that detailed how illegal immigrants cost the US economy more than they contribute. So much for that "they help the economy" BS.

I don't care where they come from or what they are looking for or what they are leaving. If it screws up my country or my way of life, I will fight it.
25% of all children in the California public school system are classified as "English learners". Well over 95% of them are from mexico or other latin american countries. I am paying for their education at the expense of students who were born to families who actually belong here, in other words are US citizens and are here legally. At the same time I pay a very large amount of money to send my kids to private school where they actually teach the subjects in english and where my kids will get a decent education. The public schools in this area teach every subject in english and spanish, at the same time. Twice as long to cover a subject, half as much learning. Yeah, that's fair.

I suggest that many of the people in this country who support illegal immigration or who suggest we should ignore the problem have ulterior motives. If the population becomes predominantly hispanic they benefit. They want a bigger piece of the pie and secretly want the hispanic culture to take over and dominate. it is happening in California and it is obvious and cannot be denied by any reasonable person.
I went ot school with a girl who's name was Loretta Sanchez. After graduating she married a man who had a typical non-hispanic last name and she took that name. She ran for several public positions, city council, you name it. She did not win a single election and basically gave up. The democratic party approached here and told her that if she moved to santa Ana and changed her name back to Sanchez, they would get her elected to congress, even though she had absolutely no experience. She did, they did, then they recruited her sister and got her elected to congress also. Simply because they have an hispanic sounding name and they represent an area that has a very large hispanic population. Two people helping ot run this country, because they have an hispanic last name and no other qualifications.
Who are the real racists?

Que Onde Guerro?

all are valid, all are appropriately descriptive, none are "stances" none are racist

I imagine we can agree that untrained and uninsured drivers should not be on the road. How does one prevent this from happening? The only way I can think of that comes close is to have to prove one is a licensed and insured driver to be able to buy gasoline. Can't say I necessarily agree with a plan like that, but I can't think of any other way.

Oh yea, I was in my Porsche a few years ago and was waiting at a stop sign behind a minivan. The reverse lights illuminated and before I could honk my horn, the minivan crashed into me. The car then took off and proceeded to drive down the road as if nothing had happened. After following the vehicle for 5 minutes, I finally was able to get the driver to pull over. An hispanic woman got out of the car, spoke no English at all, and in my poor Spanish, I was able to ascertain that she had no driver's license and no insurance. Miraculously, the front of my car had no damage. The bumper did its job. So I left the scene, thanking my lucky stars, and figuring what could be done to prevent this from happening. That was my best plan.

After visiting Sydney...I cannot believe an Aussie is calling Americans racist. It is horrible how aboriginals are treated there...and they are not even illegal aliens! Pehaps your ire would be better spent at home solving your own problems.

well said, fint