JC found dead

[nota]

link from Time CNN

http://time-blog.com/middle_east/

''Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.

In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.

No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.''

Edited - inappropriate comment removed. -Z-man.

[MRM]

Yeah? And the Da Vinci Code was supposed to be fiction.

[slodave]

That was a misleading title to this thread. I was reading the article trying to find out how James Cameron died! Just occurred to me that it's the other JC.

Dave

[fastpat]

Hmmm, looks like a "borrowed" plot from Tom Robbin's Another Roadside Attraction.

[legion]

A Hollywood liberal type is anti-Christian? Next your going to tell me they are anti-gun too.

[SlowToady]

Well it's good that Mr. Cameron doesn't have much vested interest in this.

[Jared at Pelican Parts]

Didnt Martin Scorsese already make that movie?

[Taz's Master]

First Mel tells me Jesus is the Messiah, now James Cameron tells me he isn't. How am I going to know the truth if Hollywood keeps changing the message?

[Milu]

As mentioned in the other thread on this subject the theme seems to come straight from the "Jesus scroll" by Donovan Joyce.

[sammyg2]

Bummer. I figured you meant that James Cameron was found dead, and I was all ready to do my jerry Seinfeld impression of "now that's a shame".

It's all lust BS to sell movie tickets. Treat it as such.

[hytem]

Originally posted by nota
link from Time CNN

http://time-blog.com/middle_east/

''Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.

In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.

No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.''

Edited - inappropriate comment removed. -Z-man.

This is why that book has been a bestseller for many years.
A lot of people think the Catholic hierarchy and Constantine, the Roman Emperor, massaged history, promoting JC as a deity, in order to elevate his importance to the populace--and get the Romans off paganism and other competing sects.

Both JC and MM were from Jewish royalty--I doubt she was a prostitute--they were a natural match. He was intended for big things, but got waylayed by the Jewish hierarchy, for some reason. They got the Romans to do him in.

I think they were a couple, and she was a major part of his following. The child is speculation. But there are a bunch of gospels, including hers, that are non-spiritual, which the Church disposed of around 300 AD. A lot of this is common knowledge among historians, as documented on the History Channel, but not among the public. Hence, the book interest.

A lot of people think that's her, to his right, in DaVinci's Last Supper. It certainly looks like a woman. I also think that might be MM in the Mona Lisa, if DaVinci was really wrapped up in this stuff.

[MRM]

Jesus was from Jewish royalty? I guess if you stretch more than a bit. He was a decendant of King David, but so were a couple of dozen thousand other people. More like a clan than a royal family.

He was very lower/working class. The fact that he was hung on a cross itself tells us of his social standing; that was a punishment reserved for the low classes.

As for Mary M, that's more than the historical evidence can prove one way or the other. The simple fact is that there is not enough historical evidence for us to know exactly who she was. From what is available the context of her appearance is wrong for being a prostitute and is more likely that of a fairly well off woman, possibly a financial backer of Jesus. But that is all deduction; the historical record is just too empty to know for sure. I'm not sure what Jewish Royalty would have been at that time. Don't recall hearing about Jewish kings being particularly active at that time. Might have upset that guy in Rome.

I base my understanding on findings by reputable historians. If you're going to start citing the Gnostic Gospels and documents that are even less historical than that, we'll have a differance of opinion of what reputable means. I don't dispute that the gospels of which you speak are historical documents. They weren't frauds like the stuff that supposedly back up the Da Vinci Code story. But they are best described as pamphlets that were put together long after Jesus dies as popuar culture items of the day, putting together wit and wisdom of Jesus, something like Mao's Little Red Book.

On the other hand, if the suppressed gospels are as true and significant as you describe, doesn't that prove the divinity of Christ and simply suggest a mystery that's even greater and more wonderous than the one traditional Christians believe in?

[sammyg2]

Hytem, alot of people think there are space aliens in their back yard too, but it doesn't make them any more wrong.

Your continued use of the term "alot of people think" is borderline deception and does not reflect well on your moral character.
If you have a point to make, then make it and back it up with some facts. Using your catch phrase is nothing more than an attempt to insinuate a rumor. That may work on weak minds, but I'd like think that it won't work on many people here.

BTW your suggestion that Constantine re-wrote the bible is pitiful. There exist copies of the gospel that pre-date constantine and that flatly and boldly contradict the less than orthadox notions you suggestion in your post.

[sammyg2]

NOTA, the line at the end of your post reminds me why you are on my ignore list and will remind me not to read your posts in he future.
That line was flat out and intentional disrespect to all Christians.
Shame on you. Your post has been reported to the moderators.

[nota]

I feel honored to make your ignore list
I guess a little truth would shatter your flat world
and I would not want to do that!!
and why should anyone respect a force
[christianity] that has a long history of anti learning,
killing unbelievers, caused the DARK AGE, and the fall of rome
is anti progressive, anti sex, pro censorship,
and has killed millions?
and wants to regain those powers

[Won]

Whether you respect the "force" (young Jedi?) or not is your problem, but at least show some respect for people who chose to believe it and their decision.

It's always the ravaging anti-something people that go around flaming others, isn't it..

[adrian jaye]

I am taught to ask questions

Radicals believe in killing un believer's (of all religions)
The bible says that the MOST IMPORTANT commandment, is to
"love others as I have loved you"

Dark ages, isnt that when the coal guys were on strike ?
Dont confuse "ORGANISED religion" and "MEN from trying to interpret the word" the pheasants had to be kept in the place.........

Rome, hmmm, da bloke who fiddled while his city burned..... wasnt Jesus was it think it was ceaser ?!

is anti progressive, (errm dont think so)

anti sex: NOPE, sex within marriage,is fine, actually any kind of consenting sex with your wife or husband is fine.
IMHO sex if it is not in a commited loving relationship, is pretty damn crap. STD's AIDS ABORTION,... all the joys of sleeping around !

pro censorship, NOPE, I know about , murder, stealing, drus but I wouldnt want to do any of it. when you censor, you stop, knowledge !

and has killed millions?, so have non <>< radicals,


have a nice day, I feel sad for you

I'll pray for you, maybe yoi'll feel better then !

Originally posted by nota
[christianity] that has a long history of anti learning,

killing unbelievers,

caused the DARK AGE,

and the fall of rome

is anti progressive, anti sex, pro censorship,
and has killed millions?
and wants to regain those powers [/B]

[stuartj]

Originally posted by Won
Whether you respect the "force" (young Jedi?) or not is your problem, but at least show some respect for people who chose to believe it and their decision.

Why?

[nota]

they were on the TODAY show this AM
more info on the NBC/today web site

and the news conference is at 11 AM today

btw if and only if Christians learn to respect others
esp nonbelievers will they deserve any respect in return

their demanding respect before that point is a bad joke

[Taz's Master]

Stuart you are absolutely correct, never show respect to those who believe differently from you.