Poll: Should FastPat be let back in?
 

love or hate? what do you think?

Didn't vote, because I don't know what he did to be banned.

I think he should be allowed back. Of course that is rntirely up to the owner and moderators of this forum, and I notice they are not the ones asking.

I dunno
I'm a raging leftist on many issues, but I support Israel...

I'm also a Yankee who thinks the rebel south can f#ck off.

Depends on what he did or if he's actually banned at all.

Aside from his politcal views he's a good guy. I'd like too know the reason as well.

I don’t think he is banned. I think this is a desperate cry for help. If anything it seems lately his posts have been less inflammatory than in the past. Maybe the mods will clear this up.

I tried to send him a PM. I got some message about PM's being disabled either by choice or by administrators...

Political views or not, when an admin tells him to stop and he then starts a fight with them (Scott in the office) its like throwing gas on a fire. We all know who is going to win.

If he did something silly (or stupid) again its not like he was not warned. If he comes back under a new name its not like it will be hard to pick his posts out of the group.

Good guy? I keep hearing that and he very well may be a very nice guy in person. Bet that most of us are nice in person. That said, I do not advocate the return of the Civil War, violent takeover of the US Govt nor killing of American soldiers and feel that most patriotic Americans and PP members might agree.

Z stated in an other thread that he was banned for repeated personal attacks.

I think Pat paid Z to make that statement. This is obviously a conspiracy. I am off to find an article to cut and paste that backs me up…

while nostatic was on the grassy knoll no less

Believe that Nostatic is either in or on his way to Penang, hopefully to watch the Formula One race.

If he is on the grassy knoll he must either have a very good lens or is hooked up with a intel satellite!

Personal attacks ?

Those happen every day in this forum, must of been a personal attack against a moderator maybe even in a PM or e-mail.

Just guessing, however I've seen one guy get banned here for acting up in Rennlist - not kidding.

Agreed. Must have missed something.

If Mul had been banned back when he started "personal attacks", he wouldn't have been around long. Maybe that's the point though... not allowing things to get to that level.

As for him being a nice guy, I have seen instances where he was having very heated political debates with XYZ, and then posted in other threads offering very civilized and kind words to the same XYZ characters. I'm not sure that was always reciprocal.

Either way, I'm not judging anything until I know what happened.

I have been personally attacked far more brutally by people who are still around than I ever was by (or ever saw from) FastPat.

:D :D


seriously tho' . . .the mod's do a pretty good job at keeping disruptive players at bay. I imagine that they will give fastpaste another chance . .. he has shown the ability to (try to) adapt and change. Recently, he has gone from all paste, all the time to Pat's contorted reality show w/ a few attempts at humor. --I think-- . .. his cowbell still may need a bit of tuning. ;)

Same here. I have seen, and been the object of, far more vitriolic attacks than Pat ever mustered. Many that come to mind attack my religious beliefs, and those of others. Not that that bothers me, nor would I ever complain to anyone about it; just pointing that out.

One of our moderators is a Christian. Attacks on Christians and Christianity seem to happen completely unfettered. It seems no one is bothered by them enough to complain, nor is our Christian moderator bothered by them enough to take action.

Our other moderator is not a Christian; his personna here is more of an avowed liberal. Not that the two positions are mutually exclusive (witness Superman), but there does seem to be a divide on PPOT along those lines. The last couple of "high profile" bannings on PPOT have been of staunch conservatives or libertarians, vehemently opposed to most liberal positions. Hmm...

What does this say? One conclusion that could be drawn from our admittedly small sample is that you are more likely to get banned by spouting conservative vitriol than by its liberal counterpart. Or maybe it says our liberal contributors are more likely to complain when their feelings get hurt. Or that maybe they are a little less tolerant of opposing viewpoints, and quicker to wield the big stick to cut them off. Maybe our dysfunctional little micrcosm of real life, known as PPOT, is closer than we think... I'm just sayin'...

I disagree Jeff. :p

Anyway, in my opinion, your only saving grace is your support for MFI and being Irish (yeah, I got some of that). :D

Well, duuuhh. :cool:

I vote we ban Jeff!

I liked Pat. But I liked Mull. Whatever. OT's losing its attraction. Maybe I'll buy an Elise and see what goes on in the Lotus OT.

Don't worry, another FastPaste, RedUFO, Mul, etc, will come by soon enough.

Either that or we deflower Todd and make him our patsy.

Didnt vote... just wanted to say that this happens in every
internet forum that Ive ever been a member of (this is the
3rd one). Members get banned, or they "quit" and announce
their quittings publically.... but 98% of the time, they come back
under a different user name. So we will probably see him back
anyway.

I was involved in something a while back on Compuserve where someone was having thier posts moved to "Section 8". He was insulted that his posts were moved to the Ghetto housing area, and he thought it was racially motivated.

Appearently, there are 2 kinds of section 8, and both pertain to the government.

Pat was a section 8 (Off Topic) attention whore. Like RedUFO.

I have only had 1 post deleted and only one warning (I live a sheltered life), but I don't play games with people around here and I don't need to act like a screaming, manical lunatic either.

I do believe civility should be maintained. Whatever it was, I do know he had been warned in the past.

Buh-bye.

Next.

agree that I haven't seen any personal attacks from pat which have been worse than others, in both frequency and content.

This is why Z's response was so puzzling. But since we serve at the pleasure of PP, we basically don't have any rights, which is fine.

that is why i put a "the south shall rise again(but under a different username)" option! ;)

When fastpaster first got here, one of his first vitriolic posts was how it was a shame that the pentagon wasn't destroyed on 9/11.

That did it for me. Some people say he is a nice guy in person, but so was Jeffrey Dahlmer.

Maybe Pat will smile that kinky little smile next time he attempts to board a commercial flight.

He'll come back as some other wacko, but his cut and paste personality will show him up.

BuhBye.

I think it's rude to undermine the decision of the moderators on a free forum.

I don't know Pat or have an opinion on his posts.

I think Z-Man should be banned. There, I said it.

Guess I'm a 2%er...When I left the S registry board, I left it. Haven't been back.

I got yelled at for learning how to bypass the curse-word filter. That was pretty cool. No, I won't tell how. Zoltan will do stuff to me.

Can't believe FP was still here after the first time he advocated the destruction of the Pentagon & White House. To me that shows a remarkable amount of latitude from the mods. If it had been my 'house', he'd have been banned permanently, but fast.

You left the early S board? Funny, I don't recall you ever mentioning that before. ;).

"Zoltan!" making the hand gesture from "dude where's my car"

sorry i had to.....

Legion mentioned that he's been the target of some vicious words, but he didn't mention me. Then Island posts his remarks. Both those guys, and especially Island, have been pretty viciously attacked by me. I personally believe I have stepped over that line. Both feet. Try as I might, I cannot seem to achieve Ban Status.

On the other hand, I actually feel I understand most of the Moderators' Code. While I emphatically confess to have overstepped the boundaries of personal decency and respect.....I'm only over that edge occasionally. Somewhat rarely. And apparently, brief transgressions can be forgiven, where the Moderators believe the out-of-control poster to be capable of rehabilitation and re-entry into our little society. The actual bans have targeted a different type of poster. A poster who can't seem to see where the line is. I probably wouldn't have banned Pat, though I recognize that some of his remarks were, essentially, treason. I can easily understand Moderators being uncomfortable with that. Overthrow of the federal government is not a joke. But I felt, and still feel, that Mul earned every bit if his banning(s). Later, he calmed down and we still see him here, I think. But for a good long time I felt he fully earned any and all ban decision the Moderators could make. If the Moderators made an error in judgement with regard to Mul, it was the failure to ban him long before they did.

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I guess I just need to be more consistent and persistent with my vicious personal attacks.

Can it be that this very topic supports the theory of several Porsche entusiasts (at least in L.A.) who refuse involvement with Pelican OT and states of those who do post on it, "...have no life?"

I move to Ban Superman, on his own admissions! ;)

hey, if they don't like it here....it doesn't hurt my feelings not to see there posts. are they 914 people? if so they have their own civil war going on between "world and club"

My house plant has told me that FastPat was abducted by time travelers and transfered to an parallel universe where the south won the war and he is a now moderator on PPOT.

May the farce be with you.

I once had a post where I insulted everyone on the board who was either conservative, liberal, or moderate. I didn't even get a response. I pouted for days.....

I did a personal ban on FP right after I first saw him post about destroying the Pentagon and the death of Servicemen/women!!! Haven't missed him. Though I do seem to like Dr. Ron Paul....

Oh, Z-Man, please disregard ;-)