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M.D. Holloway 03-21-2007 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by CJFusco
I would love to hear your explaination as to what is happening when a paranormal investigator holding a tape recorder falls in a dark basement, and a disembodied voice on the tape (the man was alone in the basement) could be heard saying "Are you okay?"
Does he get paid to investigate? Does he sell any of his books about his experiences? Does he give talks on his encounters for $$$?

I'm not saying that these voices do not exist, rather that there are down to Earth explanations - some of which are self indulged.

Eric Coffey 03-21-2007 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by motion
Probably related to the flashes on the show you were watching. You comfirmed yourself that there were flashes on the tape. Sounds like too strong of a coincidence to ignore.
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Originally posted by Z-man
2. A car past your house, and at first blocked the sun, causing the shadow. Then the driver may have put on the headlights -- zenon lights tend to start with a flash...
My thoughts exactly on both counts. What you describe sounds consistent with a car driving by (or turning around) on your street. It probably happened just as the "flashes" on the tape appeared, adding to the "Poltergeist" factor. Now if you come home from work and there are chairs stacked up on the dining table, then I would reevaluate. :D

tabs 03-21-2007 03:25 PM

Now this is my two cents worth...

I keep my sliding glass door open at night so the dog can go in and out when she wants. Her food and water dish are just to the right of the door. While I am watching TV at night every once in awhile I will see movement from the dishes to the outside. I think well that could be the Ghost of old George...but then think naw its just the frame of my glasses that is causing the illusion.

The other thing that intrigues me is a news story from London that I saw several years ago. It seem that the Brits were finding a door that was kept locked on one of the Royal residences that dates back to I don't know when open. They eventually put a video camera trained on the door, what they found was a Ghostly apprition of a man dressed in 15th century garb. ?????

tabs 03-21-2007 03:32 PM

For U nay says there are so many things that we don't know about. To say that the only thing that exists is what wqe can scientifically prove is absurd. One hundred fity years ago we didn't know Bacteria existed. To say it doesn't exist today is nonsensical. Science and human understanding moves along, slowly revealing the secrets of the universe. Todays hearsay and imaginationary bumps in the night might very well be tommorows scientific fact. To think otherwise is to play God, and a mighty pissant one at that.

djmcmath 03-21-2007 04:22 PM

It's encouraging (?) to read a report from someone who is, for all accounts, a reliable person. I mean, most of the time, I read this sort of thing and it's coming from some schmuck in a trailer park somewhere, and they've got terrible photographs demonstrating that, in fact, long exposures with bright lights do exactly what you'd expect them to do, and I'm thinking, "Wow, what a nutjob, I can't believe this nonsense got published!"

But you're a stand-up guy, intelligent, discerning, and very open to normal possibilities... That's what makes this interesting.

That said, I think Z-Man is onto something. Is it possible that instead of a portal opening in front of the house with a bright light, there was a car (or two -- one with bright lights and the other to cause shadow?) passing in front of the house? Could a car turning in front of the house cause a swinging light like you describe? Can you give us a drawing of the road/reflector/house setup from overhead?


While I'd love to explain it using science, I'm open to other possibilities. I recall waking up one morning with the certain knowledge that there was someone in my room (third floor apartment, and I know I locked the door). I looked around with my eyes, not moving my head ... nothing. The next thing I knew, I had the most bizarre sensation: It was as if an incredibly large person was doing a "front leaning rest" (like the lowered position for a pushup) right on top of me, breathing right in my face. When I say "incredibly large," I mean like superhuman large, like 8' tall, 400lbs, all muscle. I could probably write off the details as my own imagination filling in for fear, but I could almost see a shape, so dark it was absorbing light, with horns and scales.

Utterly bizarre, and probably just inside my head, totally unlike what this thread is about.

scottmandue 03-21-2007 04:33 PM

With serious scientist talking about parallel universes (string theory) it might be possibly unexplained phenomena could be cross talk or bleed through from other dimensions.

Or with the ever increasing levels of radio/microwave/magnetic radiation in our world it might be possible with the proper atmospheric condition to experience spontaneous fluorescing.

tabs 03-21-2007 04:41 PM

DJ how do U know it was just in your head? I trust my imagination and how I feel about things. It is right nearly all the time.

Like I said it might be that the membrane between dimensions becomes transparent at times.

kach22i 03-21-2007 06:57 PM

I asked my wife to read this thread. I told her what I wrote, but it seems some details like the shadow she first saw was actually just behind my head and was not high up on the wall as when I saw it seconds later.

From Mrs kach22i/ George's wife:



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Decided I would put in my two cents worth.

I cannot explain what happened in our home last night and I am pretty good at debunking freaky feeling things.

I was sitting on the couch and looked over at George and I thought I saw a shadowy mass moving behind him and then it went away, I chalked it up to an oddity, play of lights or something but George caught me looking at him funny, like I had seen a ghost. I didn't say anything. Next thing I know there is a flash and a shadowy looking thing near the door and then it vanished. It wasn't from the TV, it wasn't from car lights (our windows are high - not at car level or even close). I really thought that it was the front porch light blowing - you know how some lights burst really bright right before they blow out…but the front porch light was on. Honestly if I had to say where the shadow went…it went right through the door, a big wood door. I like stopped for a second and then out the door. It felt like a ribbon of light and shadow moving together in some type of dance. It wasn't a figure but more of a mass, moving up and down in a ribbon type of weave. I can only think of those rhythmic gymnasts that have those ribbons on a stick and they do gymnastics and make the ribbons flow in a beautiful dance, that was what it looked and felt like but more in smoky type of mass. It was fast, it was odd and it was bright and dark at the same time.

At first after I realized it wasn't a light bulb blowing I thought maybe something "blew up" like a house or a car accident, nothing. I remembered then that there was an email that I got from spaceweather.com about a green comet, but it was in Australia so that wasn't an answer either.

George was right, we have had people die in the house, actually 3. We are the second family to own the home. The couple that bought the house just after the turn of the century lived here for quite a few years. I am not sure what happened but I have been told that his wife committed suicide in the bathroom. The man lived on in the home for some time as a widower, then when he got sick his dead wife's sister came to live here to take care of him. They ended up falling in love and they got married. I heard that the died in the dining room. (Incidentally the dining room would have been over George's shoulder where I saw the first mass). She lived on for some time and then she got sick, her nephew came to live with her to take care of her…I heard she also died in the dining room. We bought the house from the nephew. BTW - this was how families did things in this neighborhood; family took care of family. Our elderly neighbor didn't die at home, but we were very close and after she died I thought she hung out here for a few weeks until I started to get over her death.

We do not have kids, but we both have pretty open minds. We have joked about ghosts in the house before because of things like the toilet paper roll suddenly and for no reason - unrolling all by itself. No kids, no pets, not even us nearby…we just suddenly hear it going "thwap thwap thwap" then we come upstairs and it is in a pile on the floor. We have lived here since 1992 and this is the first time both of us saw the same type of thing at the same time. We were not able to duplicate it with the TV, there were not cars on the road. It remains unexplained. Our old cat and this cat sometimes look at the ceiling and look like they are following something and then we look and see nothing…we have made comments that they see ghosts. We even used to hear the cat running up and down the stairs after she died…but that stopped after a few months. Even the neighbors dead cat used to visit us, crawled into bed with us for a few weeks too. Lambert (the neighbors dead cat) liked to crawl into the bottom part of the bed. I used to babysit Lambert for weeks on end while the family was overseas. So he liked us and probably felt comfortable here.

I have been in homes I know were haunted, and not in a good way. This thing last night feels odd but not ugly.

If any of you have been nearby when lightening strikes it kind of felt like that…made the hair on your head kind of stand up and your heart go a little faster but it wasn't creepy, just odd. If it continues I might have to get someone over to make it happy and go away!

Brian Cameron 03-21-2007 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by djmcmath
I recall waking up one morning with the certain knowledge that there was someone in my room (third floor apartment, and I know I locked the door). I looked around with my eyes, not moving my head ... nothing. The next thing I knew, I had the most bizarre sensation: It was as if an incredibly large person was doing a "front leaning rest" (like the lowered position for a pushup) right on top of me, breathing right in my face. When I say "incredibly large," I mean like superhuman large, like 8' tall, 400lbs, all muscle. I could probably write off the details as my own imagination filling in for fear, but I could almost see a shape, so dark it was absorbing light, with horns and scales.

You had a visit from the Old Hag... also known as "sleep paralysis": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

austin552 03-22-2007 04:27 AM

There's your sign...

notfarnow 03-22-2007 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Brian Cameron
You had a visit from the Old Hag... also known as "sleep paralysis": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis
Yep, I get the same thing. Not fun, but now that I know what's going on I don't get as freaked out.

A few Pelicans have had spells:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=320635&highlight=sleep+ paralysis

alf 03-22-2007 09:16 AM

Kach
Any recent events in your lives that might have changed the balance in your home?

kach22i 03-22-2007 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by alf
Kach
Any recent events in your lives that might have changed the balance in your home?

Yea, my wife got a job after looking for over a year. She had just started working again.

M.D. Holloway 03-22-2007 09:44 AM

TABS,
I'm not saying these things do not exist, I just have not witnessed anythung that comes close.

I have had experiences in our old house and only saw the aftermath and not the culprit. I have had several things occur with Our Son concerning reading each others thoughts but thats as paranormal as I have got.

I hope there are ghosts.

stomachmonkey 03-22-2007 09:45 AM

All you need to do is own a cat to be convinced that we are not alone or that there is another dimension that we just can't see.

i've owned a dozen cats in my lifetime and sooner or later they all do this, they are just sitting there hanging out, something will get their attention and they will fixate on a point in space, there will be nothing there but still the ears go back, the hair goes up, they growl and spit or sometimes just run from the room in shear panic.

Aerkuld 03-22-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by stomachmonkey
...they all do this, they are just sitting there hanging out, something will get their attention and they will fixate on a point in space, there will be nothing there but still the ears go back, the hair goes up, they growl and spit or sometimes just run from the room in shear panic.
I do that myself sometimes.

Aerkuld 03-22-2007 10:08 AM

Seriously - You guys all strike me as pretty smart and reliable. It's interesting to read through this and take in the comments.
My first thought was that it was car headlights or something easily explained, but looking at the position of the windows it doesn't seem like it would work. Then reading Mrs. Kach's comments makes you realise that it is more complicated, we seem to be talking about something that started in the room not on the wall. I can believe that one person can imagine seeing something, but for two people to see the same thing at the same time makes you think there is more to it. It's interesting to hear about other odd events that have taken place. However, I'm sure you could get a toilet roll to unwind itself if the roll spun free enough and there was sufficient weight of paper working on a big enough radius of roll to make the thing spin - but who knows?
I think that too often we miss things, that is to say we will experience something odd and convince ourselves that there is an ordinary explaination. I'm sure more of this goes on than we realise.
I have had a friend that have experienced ball lightening and described it in great detail but it doesn't sound like this. To be honest I have no idea how to explain this but I am fascinated.

targa911S 03-22-2007 10:12 AM

Be honest ....were you high? come on tell the truth.

pmajka 03-22-2007 10:45 AM

since your wife got a job, the ghosts are lonely, that , or you need to dust off that Tube amp.

scottmandue 03-22-2007 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by stomachmonkey

I've owned a dozen cats in my lifetime and sooner or later they all do this, they are just sitting there hanging out, something will get their attention and they will fixate on a point in space, there will be nothing there but still the ears go back, the hair goes up, they growl and spit or sometimes just run from the room in shear panic.

Same here... except they don't growl or run from the room... they just fixate on something and stare at it and/or follow it around the room with their eyes... when nothing is there (that I can see)... that really creeps me out.

I'm open to the idea of ghosts but never actually seen anything... when my brother and his girlfriend lived in what is now my very old front house they claimed to see ghosts. I lived in that house for around five years while finishing the back house and never saw anything.

Super_Dave_D 03-22-2007 11:12 AM

Call me a wuss but theres no damn way I would live in a house where 3 people have died - much worst one of them via suicide! MOVE OUT!

Moses 03-22-2007 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Super_Dave_D
Call me a wuss but theres no damn way I would live in a house where 3 people have died - much worst one of them via suicide! MOVE OUT!
People have lived, died, fornicated and killed one another on every habitable corner of the planet. It's part of a places charm!

spencejm 03-22-2007 11:16 AM

I have no idea what was seen but I really think some of you have been spending too much time in the Nevada desert with Art Bell.

All of the pics posted in this thread look like basic moving subjects with a very slow shutter speed. A little tweak with Photo Shop and you've got ghosts and energy ribbons.

Check out this site. http://www.rickdoble.net/paintingwithlight/
This type of art is really popluar these days. There have been how to articles in all the photog mags recently.

I hope you get it figured out. I'm very skeptical of the supernatural but the unexplained can certainly freak me out.

Joe

Super_Dave_D 03-22-2007 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Moses
People have lived, died, fornicated and killed one another on every habitable corner of the planet. It's part of a places charm!
not inside my house they havent

alf 03-22-2007 11:42 AM

If you did not feel threatened by it then just let it be; seems like you already do that with the other going-ons in your home. If you do not like it then ask it to leave. Some things, like the divine, we do not yet understand scientifically but nevertheless witness their effects.

Moses 03-22-2007 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Super_Dave_D
not inside my house they havent
Worse. UNDER your house!

Jacksonville, Florida? Colorful history. Lots and lots of ghosts! You probably built your house on a Seminole burial site. Listen carefully. You might hear Osceola cussing you out right now!

M.D. Holloway 03-22-2007 11:56 AM

na, thats just the dice rolling. Even in the afterlife the Indians have figuered out a way to cap the poor whitemans ghost money

notfarnow 03-22-2007 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Super_Dave_D
Call me a wuss but theres no damn way I would live in a house where 3 people have died - much worst one of them via suicide! MOVE OUT!
My brother in law has a house in Lunenburg, NS that was built in 1758. He's a doctor who just moved to the area, and when he found the house he couldn't believe what a reasonable price it was. (yes, this story is predictable)

So he bought it.

A few days after signing the deal, he's at a yard sale in the area. He mentions that he just bough the house up the road. Old guy pauses, looks up over his glasses and says:

"Oh. Yer the fellah who bought the XXX house. That house has a lot of history, you know"
brother in law: "What do you mean, history?"
old man: "History, is what I'm sayin. Lotsa history"

Ya. So he starts asking around; everyone in the area knows this as the haunted house. Indian raids, scalpings, hangings... some fact some myth.

So he's getting a bit freaked. He goes to the neighbor on the adjoining property, another old guy.

Brother in law: "So, I keep hearing all these wierd stories about my house... like ghosts and stuff"
Old neighbor: "Ghosts? that's crazy talk. People have imaginations."
Brother in law: " Ok good, so you've never experienced anything weird or out of the normal"
old neighbor:"Naw, that all horse$hit. Although... now that you mention it, about 20 years ago there was an old shed between our properties. Every now and then there would be lights and a woman signing and howling, so we burned it down."

Pretty wild stuff. Turns out there really is a lot of history in that house, including previous owners who were murdered by their daughter's boyfriend while on vacation in the US.

Super_Dave_D 03-22-2007 12:05 PM

OK let me change my staement

"There is no damn way I would knowingly move into a house where 3 people have died"

tabs 03-22-2007 01:16 PM

Hey Lubby.. how has it been going with the Anxiety attacks since the wifes surgery. Many times we know something is wrong with a family member before it becomes apparent. I'm wondering if this is the case with U?

billwagnon 03-22-2007 01:35 PM

I have a friend who had a ghost in her house. He wasn't a bad ghost - he liked her. He would do things like throw all the cups out of the cabinet, lock her husband out of the house (after turning on the car interior lights outside so he would go out to turn them off), stand by the bed etc.

She talked to a conservative Catholic priest who told her that he could come and send the ghost on his way- but he warned her that sometimes if you send away a good ghost, bad ghosts will take its place and the good ghost is protecting you in some way. :eek:

Oh another odd thing - they gave away something from the house (a piece of furniture I think) and after that sometimes the ghost would go away for awhile, but at those same times the people with the furniture would have odd things happen in the next town.

alf 03-22-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by billwagnon
Oh another odd thing - they gave away something from the house (a piece of furniture I think) and after that sometimes the ghost would go away for awhile, but at those same times the people with the furniture would have odd things happen in the next town.
Maybe it was a genie and the woman is sub-consciously wishing to have a new hubby :)

Fidalgo911S 03-22-2007 01:53 PM

I'm a huge nay-sayer on all this stuff but I have been scared witless by something I can't explain, once. I was at my in-laws house and I was in the basement visiting with my wife and mother-in-law. No one else was home. They have an older 1930's house in Portland with a full attic complete with stairs.

I was asked to bring a duffel bag up to the attic and place it with the rest of the stored items. No problem, never even thought twice about it. When I got to the top floor and walked down the dead-end hall where the attic door was, I burst into goose bumps and could barely go forward. "This is stupid", I thought and made myself walk at a normal pace to the attic door. I opened it, reached around the corner, and turned on the light. The whole time I'm scared, petrified. I walked through the doorway and up the stairs. The attic was fully enclosed with no windows and just the one bare bulb hanging from the ceiling. Instead of placing it neatly in a corner, I put the duffel on the top of the stairs and turned around. The whole time I'm forcing myself not to turn around to check my back and/or break into a run.

When I got on the second to last step, I coolly reached over and turned out the light. I was still on the stairs and now the dark attic was to my back. "Dumb move", I thought right as a tumbling noise came bursting down the stairs after me. I leaped off the steps, slammed the door and flew down three floors all the way to the basement.

I came scurrying into the laundry room with both my wife and mother-in-law looking at me strangely. By then I had figured out what the noise was - the duffel bag had rolled own the steps after me. I had placed it close to the edge and there you have it. I told them the story and went up to check my theory. Again the same bad feeling.

I opened the door and turned on the light. I peered around the corner and there was the duffel bag….right at the top of the stairs. I pulled my head around the corner and turned off the light. Now a huge scraping sound was heard on the stairs but I didn't linger to investigate. Same scenario - I ran (yes like Forrest).

The attic is finished now with dormers looking out over the city, carpet, a bathroom. Really nice. I still hate going anywhere near there. As an aside my mother-in-law has many stories about odd things in the house.

I guess something's are hard to explain.

Noah930 03-22-2007 03:16 PM

Thanks for all the late-night food for thought, guys. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/chix.gif (Why did I read this thread? This house "settles" a lot at night.) I'm with Super Dave--glad I don't live in a place with any known (human) deaths. Gonna try to keep it that way. However, I think someone needs to make some sort of map of ancient Indian burial grounds, BTW.

M.D. Holloway 03-22-2007 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by tabs
Hey Lubby.. how has it been going with the Anxiety attacks since the wifes surgery. Many times we know something is wrong with a family member before it becomes apparent. I'm wondering if this is the case with U?
none but then again the lil helpa's are taken religiously.

johnco 03-22-2007 04:04 PM

This slightly weird guy moved into one of our apts and after a few weeks asked my mother if anyone had died in that apt . He claimed he would see this green cloud or smoke appear now and then. Of course we never told him the previous renter had shot himself thru the heart lying in bed several months before and lay there for 3 days before I found him. weird!

the 03-22-2007 04:11 PM

I know for a fact there are such things as ghosts.

I felt the presence of one, I just knew it was there, so I snapped a bunch of pictures, and sure enough, I could clearly see one visible in one of the pictures.

That was proof enough for me.

Ghost visible in pic

tabs 03-22-2007 04:19 PM

I don't get mad I get even....

alf 03-22-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by the
I know for a fact there are such things as ghosts.

I felt the presence of one, I just knew it was there, so I snapped a bunch of pictures, and sure enough, I could clearly see one visible in one of the pictures.

That was proof enough for me.

Ghost visible in pic

Got to look real hard to see that manifestation, good one.

Super_Dave_D 03-22-2007 04:31 PM

My assistant is a realtor and she told me that she in under no obligation to tell a potential buyer if a murder or any spooky stuff has happened. So......always go ask a neighbor if any mass murders or crazy insane ladies lived in the house - before you buy.


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