This reminds me of the quote, "Atheism is a religion like 'bald' is a hair color." I don't think I have ever seen anyone "kill in the name of atheism". Strange concept.

Besides, did Stalin really "kill in the name of communism" or was he simply a communist who killed people? Did communism compel him to kill people?

Look at how many people god killed with that tsunami a couple of years ago. Now *that's* killing in the name of religion. ;)

That actually happened to me! :D

I am getting one made for my Baja that says "0-60? YES."

As far as all the Christian bumper stickers….I am pretty sure God doesn’t need to see bumper stickers to know where I am in my faith. (Although I do have one little tiny Jesus fish on the Baja just in case…) ;)

Think about how many stickers, crosses, nascar events, football, baseball etc, an atheist has to listen to and see every day. Talk about shoving something down ones throat.

Also, Richard Dawkins is expressing himself, his beliefs. He never has said there is no god. He admits he cannot disprove a god. Do people think he shouldn't even speak? He writes books, gives lectures. There is nothing wrong with that...Atheists aren't organizing you don't have to worry about that. We are free thinkers. It's said that organizing atheists is about the same as herding cats.SmileWavy

So what's the bumper sticker mentality, then?

I think I can say that I saw a lot more Kerry stickers than Bush stickers in 2004 and more Gore than Bush in 2000 (and those were never taken off).

Does that mentality think that they will influence how you vote? Or, in the case of religion, to echo a comment above, how to think?

What is this mentality? Deluded or conceited? Insecure and needing to belong to a club, or so passionate that they are compelled to share their passion?

Inconceivable!

I have a real problem with proselytizers and most bumper stickers irk me too, regardless of the message. I just don't know why people feel the need to advertise that they're Catholic, but pro-choice, or a vegan or their kid is an honor student at some school I've never heard of or whatever. Get a life!

That is how I saw it.

neo-CONNED BS
 

joe killed to stay in POWER he cared very little about
communism and even less about Athiesm
pol pot and the kim's are in the same POWER trip mode
sorry try again to discredit Athiesm and link it to killing
with out a power mad leader in the drivers seat with a social / political agenda

btw do those who died because christian burned medical texts closed hospitals and schools and killed doctors
count in the christian death totals?
thats a huge number in the muliti billions esp in other lost knowlage/ practices is inc in the toll like bathing or clean water use all of which the church was active in forbiding
as immoral

or just the ones killed in wars started by the believers
thats around a billion with 100 million in the last 100 years
alone
or just the small numbers killed directly [like witches burned?] ?

athiests donot kill for Athiesm
christians sure do kill for their beliefs
in fact for far too many years just being an Athiest
was reason enuff for christians to kill them

Most of the massive killing sprees in the name of Christianity had very little to do with religion either. Mostly it was a power hungry dictator that used religion to his benefit.

To change the subject a little: I was thinking the other day about the little Porsche crest on the back window of my Chevy truck, should I have a little Chevy bowtie on the back window of my Porsche?

These are great:

http://youdrivelikeanidiot.com/stickers.php

I don't think you're "thinking" about this at all.

"Atheism" does not define a person's philosophical position.

It is simply a word that says what one is not.

Wikipedia's quick definition: "A" is a prefix that serves to negate the morpheme to which it is attached, such as "amoral" or "apolitical."

"Atheism" is simply saying one is not a "theist."

The term says nothing about what a person believes, only what they don't believe in.

Because one is "atheist" does not automatically say whether one is rational or irrational. All it says is that the person calling him/herself "atheist" rejects one sort of irrationality.

My experience with atheists, is that many accept irrational ideas; it is not a label that implies one is committed to understanding the world rationally.

Re: neo-CONNED BS
 

That's very convenient since in the past the athiests here have suggested that the Nazi genocide was religious based since they maintain that Hitler was a catholic. The reality is that Stalin was a far more strident athiest then Hitler ever was a catholic, or even Christian.

But I think that you summed it up correctly -- "joe killed to stay in POWER". Which is my point, genocides and political murder has everything to do with power, and nothing to do with religion. Since the majority of the world's population expresses a belief in some religion or another, it's hardly surprising that most of the worlds killing is done by people who profess to a religion. In the relatively short time that western Athiesm has existed (500 years), it's pretty clear that they don't lack for large scale killers, of whom often the victims are people of religious belief.

PS: In the case of Christianity, it's pretty clear that the founder(s) of the religion allowed themselves to be killed via political murder -- specifically Jesus of Nazareth, Peter, Paul* and Stephan to name a few off the top of my head, but yet the religion has floureshed in spite of this. None of whom put up any struggle when their non-believing opponents put them to death.
(Paul obviously did appeal his arrests through legal channels, but not through political power means)

Exactly. Atheists, like myself don't wake up praying to a god, or go to a house of worship, or say a prayer if we are scared, or a prayer for thanks for a meal. We don't ever think about prayer, or gods. We have other things occupy ourselves with. So, evangelical atheism is an oxymoron.

Their belief is that there is no God or creater, in spite of the fact that we exist, and existance was by some means created. It's just that the belief system is defined by what it is not rather then what is -- but it is still a belief system.

WHat do you call someone who just believes in the Big Bang and that God created physics and then stepped aside forever?

No. :rolleyes:

Try looking up definition 5 in Wiktionary:
Or maybe definition 5 in Websters...

What? That my friend is "tricky math":rolleyes:

You really don't understand. There is no belief. I don't think about it. What's to believe or not to believe, are you saying by default humans believe in god and to disbelieve that is in itself a belief?

That is very silly.

:confused:

Specifically I don't know -- but does it matter to you?

I'm sure that you'll find some Unitarians and Diests who share the view. If by "stepped aside forever" you mean that Jesus of Nazerath was not his son or offspring, I guess that means that you've self-excluded yourself from Christianity.

Don't roll your eyes at me. Wikipedia for one is written by anybody with a computer and an ability to log in, so there are millions of mistakes.

Evangelical always refers to Christian belief.

From M/W: 1. of, relating to, or being in agreement with the Christian gospel especially as it is presented in the four Gospels.

So tell me again how you could be a Christian Atheist?

Christians were originally called atheists since they did not believe in the Roman gods/goddesses. Everyone is an atheist in relative degrees. Some of us just believe in one less god than other people.