Since the Iranians have perpetrated an act of war upon a NATO country performing a UN mission...I imagine that that NATO will be on the hook for making things right with Iran...sooner rather than later.

All these imaginative scenarios!

What is in fact happening? The US has agreed to multilateral negotations with the country that kidnapped British sailors, supplies and funds militias killing Americans, directly sponsors the most deadly terrorist group in the world, and vows to wipe Israel off the map.

But the scenarios are so much more fun!

Is this one going to be broadcast in HD? :D

These are the same Russian intelligence guys who said Iraq had the WMD's that y'all said never existed, those Russians?

Iran has committed an act of war against Britain/NATO. They clearly intend to produce nuclear weapons(if you don't believe this, keep your head in the sand until someone turns it into glass)

Which makes more sense, fight them when they have nuclear weapons or when they don't? They don't want war right now or they would not be sneaking around, they would be in the open, shooting missiles at Israel themselves instead of through a proxy, shooting at coalition troops in Iraq rather than using "insurgents".

Personally, I think the Iranians are trying to set themselves up as the defenders of the faith. Maybe then the Arabs will cut the Persians some slack. War is coming, and about the only thing I can say for certain is that it won't start on 4/6/07 unless the Iranians start it.

Sure they did, because they knew Bush and company would be stupid enough to believe it. Either that or there was a back room deal between the US & Russians to have them make up a story to validate the predetermined conclusion, just as was done here at home with the FBI/CIA/NSA/etc. Either way Bush had no reason to call the Russians out, since it only helped to bolster the case he was making for war.

We don't know all the facts in this Iran thing - there IS a possibility the Brits were in Iranian waters, but it's pretty damn unlikely. The Brits are EXCELLENT sailors and have navigation skills just as good or better than anyone else out there. The most likely scenario (but it is only one guy's hypothesis) is that Iran looked back to the 1979 mess with the Shah and the 444 days our hostages had to stay in the country and how successful it was in (1) embarassing the hell out of the west and (2) getting the west to leave them alone. It worked once, they're probably figuring it would work nicely again.

LOL!

Yes, war is coming. It is a certainty at least in the minds of the messianic mullahs. I recommend Michael Oren's book on the 1967 war. Interesting to read how Nasser went through the same sort of triumphalist delusion around the destruction of Israel, the weakness of the West and the spiritual spoils of an epic war. There are differences, of course. Nasser wasn’t a theocrat. But he had the same fixation with leading a new empire in the region. One other difference is that the fundamentalist imperialism of the new Islamics is not confined to a region.

Iran is working out the steps for the annihilation of Israel. This is the dream. And the crux of their gamble on behalf of the dream is this: will the West, in the face of the nuclear horror of a destroyed Israel (broadcast on CNN round the clock), risk millions more dead across a nuclear winterized Middle East, as well as the related consequences to China and Russia, by retaliating? Will they risk triggering a total world crisis? Iran is sussing out the West on these very questions right now. The first 24 hours will be the riskiest for Iran. But once the horrific images take hold over the globe, and the UN and others begin their campaign to stay the US hand, and the democratic politicians begin their own pleadings and warnings, the issue will be moot. The end of Israel, hysterically celebrated in Arab countries, and secretly in many western ones, will be accepted. The energy of "retaliation" will redirected into condemnations, sanctions and the relief and salvation of what's left of the Jews.

It's a gamble -- but Iran is working toward the throw of the dice.

Thank you for being so easily baited into that response. It was not the Russians alone, it was every single intelligence organization that said he had WMD's.

Problems with this stuff is the good guys can't make any mistakes ever. We have to get it right and be successful every single time. They only have to get lucky one time, and for them it is a win if everyone dies, including them.

There's nothing "baited" about it. There's ample evidence that this administration deliberately fabricated intelligence information to justify a pre-determined course of action and "fast-track" the path to violence, war and death. Just stating the facts.

It's very very unlikely the US will get involved in another war given this catastrophe in Irweck.
next time we should go to war, we probably wont.

Bush & co. (along with Congress) should be tried and jailed for their crimes .

N.F.S.

+1

what is NFS , please ?

GWs Boyz got it into their minds that they could Liberate Iraq from the Bad guy Sadam...To get their way they embellished and "cherry picked" the intel they needed to. I think nearly everybody thought Sadam had some WMDs hidden away for a rainy day. It was reasonable to think so, ESPECIALLY since Sadam didn't disuade anybody from believeing it.

Iran wants to destroy Israel...and Israel is going to sit still and be anihilated..thats why they have a bunch of Nuclear Weapons stockpiled...reportedly as many as 100 bombs...Yep that gona happen..LOL. More likely Israel will turn Iran into a glass table top and anybody who wants to join them. Moreover the Israelies have the means to deliver them on target, unlike their sand ni99er breathern in Iran.

Russia and China..exactly what do U think they would be willing to risk to save Iran...NOTHING...it would eliminate a theat to them and they would secretly applaud.

BOyz get your heads outa yer A$$es...

No Fruit for Sale?

Or was it one of those PBS radio stations?

:D :D

Tabby hit it again... everybody whines "why do we support Israel?"

When the nut jobs in the M.E. start lobbing nukes around Israel will deliver the goods for us and we won't be liable.

Not for sale. LOL! :)

NFS = No F*cking *****.

"If there is war with Iran it will be Iran who provoked it".

Just like Iraq, right?

Sheesh.....

OR like G. Carlin says: "Let's find some third world country full of brown people and BOMB it!!"

Screw Iran... let's invade Mexico... the money we save on air fare alone would be astronomical! And no self respecting Mexican would be caught suicide bombing.

But they have the ultimate weapon - chalupa farts.

I'm quite certain we can make a case for WMDs in Mexico..
the drugs they produce and smuggle into this country kill thousands Americans each year.

I think those Mexicans need some "liberating"

So what are the Iranians hoping to achieve with all of this? Taking prisoners is more than sabre rattling. Is this some kind of bait for the US?

"...Larijani said Tehran would like to resolve the issue through bilateral discussions and an investigation of legal and technical issues, and again asserted that the British patrol boats entered Iranian waters illegally..."

At best, hope the world doesn't notice the difference between these detained Brits and the hundreds of detained Iranians caught doing nasty deeds inside Iraq. At worse, it takes the world's eye off the UN sanctions announced that day and keeps the focus on the bad Americans and their illegal war in Iraq.

They're not hoping anything. They accidently snatched the Brits with the missunderstanding that they were in Iranian waters and now they've painted themselves into a corner they don't know how to get out of. Excuse the preposition. They're kind of like the dog who finally caught the car and aren't sure what to do with it.

Don't forget that the US is holding Iranian nationals, and has been for about 3 months. At least two of them were in Iraq by invitation of the Iraqi government.

Iran is understandably upset about that.

Plot attacks against the US military and you're likely to be detained. Possible?

The rest
Identify the axis of evil. Take out one and take aim on another. The plan was to put 140,000 troops with logistical support on the boarder of Iran. Just like Reagan did with the USSR. There are some who see the future threats to America and American interests and react rather than the liberal idealism of negotiate after we're attacked.
Try to remember how well our army works. When our marines are moving forward they are the best in the world. Leave them standing around and they don't know how to act. If Iran provokes the powers that be, Iran will be over. Will it happen on 4-6 ? pleeeeeeeze

Don't mistake this statement as an endorsement of anything but our troops.

BTW:GWB, the worst president ever? Anyone remember Carter? 19% interest, $1900/gold, pyramid schemes because realtors had nothing better to do, a sand spot hold's US hostage, and today's Islamic threat directly attributable to the Ayatollahs high jacking the religion of peace

Re: Are we attacking Iran on 4/6?
 

At least this time I'll be watching from Mexico...SmileWavy

The US Govt has a way of negating the Good Intentions of our elected politicians whether they are Repblican or Democrat. The meaning here to make it clearly understood is that no matter what hairbrained scheme the elected leadership comes up with the Govt DOES what it has to do to survive. Even if power is transfered from the elected to the non elected.

So its ok with our being in Afganistan? They grow the opium poppies that make all the heroin that are killing thousands of Americans. You consider this WMD?

Thanks! We needed that!

Noah, you know we've made troop incursions into Iran. We've occupied the countries on either side (imagine your hated Muslims occupying Mexico and Canada), we've made continuous veiled and not-so-veled threats of bombing or invading Iran. You want to see everything in the M.E. as black and white, but it's many shades of gray.

It is black and white. Iran is an enemy of this country, an enemy of stability in Iraq (assuming you don't want a stable Iranian client state), and an enemy of freedom and human rights.
The only gray is what do we do about it, if anything.

Two words: Sovereign State. Ain't our business.

Four words: Identify, Aggravate, Adapt or Mitigate.
When these words are attached to the phrase "terrorist threat", we begin to see the options.

Some people refuse to accept the identity.
Some actions tend to aggravate the situation.
Some people want to adapt to the threat.
Smart people mitigate the possible damage.

"Butting the f*ck out" (refer to 'sovereign state' comment above) would qualify as "mitigating possible damage", IMO.

If Israel feels threatened by Iranian action(s), then let Israel deal with it.

And you appeasers will whine about that all year too.

Interesting article:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,474636,00.html

and that has what to do with the Brits?

as I asked...baitingthe US with British hostages?

Hopefully the Brits will respond the same way they did when the Falklands were invaded.

Of course Thatcher was PM then.

Suppressing the threat qualifies as Mitigating.

Butting the f*ck out, is adapting to the threat via the ostrich method.

I do too. Their President might be the only disappointed Mexican.

And as I've said before, Mexico's got a lot of stuff we'd enjoy. Lots of oil under the ground. THOUSANDS of miles of undeveloped beaches. Really hard-working citizens. Senoritas. Tequila. Vanilla. And senoritas.

I say we leave the Iraqis with a big pile of guns to overcome their deep disappointment at our immediate withdrawl, and have the returning military guys move the fence down to where the Panama Canal is. I would be happy to oversee operations in Cancun.