I met Charlie Watts at a NAMM show (I think it was the 2000 show in Anaheim) and he was very nice and helpful, really "down to earth" kind of guy. I met him at the Zildjian display area...

What are you smokin Tabs? BB King says that Eric is one of the finest blues guitarist ever. Maybe you feel that BB is a poser too?

legend, that was awsome to see him smack that guy in the head with his guitar.

pre and post punk rock master.

Keef is a complete professional. Did you notice how he rolls off the volume on the guitar before he takes it off shoulder and uses it like an axe handle to whack the crazy fan with it. After the guy is gone, he re-shoulders the tele, rolls back on the volume, and keeps going without missing a beat. :)

repeat my earlier post-----

Kieth can't play guitar (absolutely no technical ability)---thinks pulling a string is making the telecaster sing......give me a break. HE should take lessons from B.B.


Watts is no better..... a 7th grader plays as good. I know, as I started playing drums in the 6th grade, nearly 36 long years ago.....Don't believe it? Watch him as he tries to keep beat with his ride or highhat, and you'll see he can't keep a steady beat with such---he always lifts when he hits the snare with his other hand.....It's a choppy affair at best.

Mick (on a tour three or four years ago), when broadcast from Madison Square on HBO, couldn't hold a candle to the black chick that was singing back up with him. He tried, but failed miserably to keep up with her beautifully powerful voice. She literally blew him off the stage, so to speak.


What they (Rolling Stones) have is not an individual talent, but a group talent. That's what keeps them going, not how well they individually play or sing.


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you can repeat it as many times as you want. It still doesn't make it right. Of course everyone has an opinion...

But talk to most guitarists who have a clue, and they'll tell you that Richards is the *****.

Watts actually drops the hi hat on 2 and 4 for a reason. It is part of what makes the stones sound like the stones.

So who do you think actually is a good guitarist and/or bassist and/or drummer?

Yeah a Technician, he knows his chops..not a Conceptionalist an inovator, someone who comes up with something new.

Richards, Lennon, Townsend, Dylan, Brian Wilson and Morrison all aren't the best Technicians around but they have a sound in their heads that is unique.

Jimi Hendrix was both a Technican and a Conceptionalist.

How fking stupid...Listen to anything Richards played on before 1970. Afterwards he might as well have been dead. The Stones after Altamont became Mr Showbusiness. Some people might argue that they were finished creativily after Exiles..but a good part of that was allready around in one form or another by 1970. After Exiles all U get is Dancin with Mr D....

The Glimmer Twins are really second rate creativily on their own they needed a Brian Jones or Ry Cooder to play off of. Most of the best Stones stuff Sympathy, Midnight, Gimme Shelter, Jumpin Jack, Cant Get ...were all written when Brain was in decline and his madness was permemating the air.

With a Ronnie Wood all U get is a retread of whats in the past. Mick Taylor at least brought technical proficiency to the gig.

It basically was the same with the Doors..Morrison couldn't even play an instrument, yet his presence inspired the other 3 to come up with a unique sound that was Jim Morrison. and without him they are hacks.

Lennon was the one who pushed Paul to Greatness.

U mention a Backup singer blowing a 60 year old Mick off the stage...I would hope so..

Listen to the "Get Yer Ya Yas Out" album.. and U will hear just how tight and meacing they were in their prime, when they played for Reals. Then lets see if U still think what you've just spewed.

I have to disagree that Lennon pushed Paul to greatness, Tabs. The Lennon/McCartney collaboration has yet to be surpased in all of music. In actual fact, Paul was always pushing everybody else. Paul would "write" the intro and opener and John would somehow magically come up with the middle eight or vice versa. They did this over and over. Some beleive it was the Hamburg days and the hours and hours playing at the Cavern that somehow melded their musical minds together.

RHJAMES-

You are a fool! Are you one of those bedroom reissue-strat polishers beating off over SRV?

Keith is one of the greatest rock and rollers of all time. Technical proficiency!=flash, or dazzling runs up the fretboard.

He is a great songwriter and the real deal. Think about all the players he has inspired, from mr ronnie wood to johnny thunders (who was awesome even though HE couldnt really play) to izzy stradlin to mick jones to wayne kramer/fred sonic smith to ron asheton (another can't-play guy) etc.

Rock and roll is 90%+ attitude. It's done in filthy decrepit pits of clubs at 2 in the morning, by wasted dudes with les pauls slung to their knees via beer soaked JCM800s and fender twins. It is sloppy, messy, primal, sexual, raw. It is *not* to be carefully transcribed and printed in GUITAR PLAYER for suburbanites to rotely regurgitate through their PEAVEY copies of old tweed fenders and 'authentic' 52 reissue telecasters heehee.

The Sonics' 'Here are the Sonics' smokes anything buttnuts like john mayer will ever put down.

Tabs - ease up on ronnie wood. Listening to the Faces '5 guys walk into a bar' box set is a revelation. He's one cool mother****er.

100% correct! You don't have to love the Stones to appreciate their individual members' contributions or chops on their instruments. There are few drummers out there, who've played as long as Charlie has, who aren't at least very good at their instrument. I used to think he was a bump on a log until I saw him live, doing a soundcheck and banging around with no mics on. That guy beats the living pi$s out his drums and doesn't work up a sweat doing it. Keith has so many awesome riffs, weird tunings and solos, I don't know where to begin. I'm probably the only one in the world whose favorite Stones tunes are "Waiting on a Friend" and "Highwire". But those songs just oooze great guitar work. And I LOVE the drum in "Undercover of the Night". Taking the pillow out of the bass drum for that one makes the tune.

Or, is it the other way 'round? :D

Sounds like you've spent a little too much time playing Guitar Hero III. Turn the Playstation off, pick up your guitar, and please come back and repeat yourself again after you've learned how to tune it to open G and can play single Stones riff.

There is a long list of reasons to praise BB King. His technical prowess does not make the list. He can hardly fret a chord so he might be the last guy that should be giving lessons to another accomplished guitarist. Yngwie is a pretty technical guy so maybe he could teach both BB and Keef something about how to play a guitar :rolleyes:

The Steve Tyler/Joe Perry resemblance to Jagger/Richards is pretty uncanny, IMO.

I would disagree. Clapton has not only the chops but the soul to jam with others without any practice and sound fantastic. Jazz and blues are rooted in innovation. Frankly for creativity and innovation, Uncle Jerry (Garcia) was the finest. He could play with anyone, any style, on anything that had strings. Too bad he thought he could sing.

I give Clapton his due, but his playing never really gave me goosebumps. I like some of his songs, but was never moved to learn them.

I saw BB King once and, while I wasn't a huge fan, he blew me away. He plays almost no chords and doesn't sing over his playing, only plays between words. But that guy has a feel and groove like some spirit is talking through him. I thought he was wonderful.

I've seen Yngwie a few times and, while he's a real prick, he is one of the most amazing technical players out there.

Eric Johnson, Brian May and Eddie Van Halen are still my favorites. You hear them and know immediately it's them and every time I hear them I want to grab my guitar and play along. No one else does that to me.

How bout Angus Young....didja ever listen to him? Nasty little man, probably wets his pants to boot.

McCartney writes pure sugar, he needed a Lennon to write Yesterday or Elenaor Rigby. Someone to spark his conscienceness.

Clapton writes plaid ballads, most of his songs are not memorable. What has he done since Layla or Cream.

Angus rocks.

IMO, Clapton is far from a technical whiz and hasn't done anything worth listening to since the Layla sessions. While I could live without his Yardbirds work, what he did during his time with Mayall-Cream-Blind Faith is undeniably brilliant.

If you don't get the Clapton thing, go listen to his 'Hideaway' cover on John Mayall's Beano album. If you still don't get it, listen to the Live Cream stuff. If that doesn't do it for you then listen to the Jams CD from the Layla Sessions. If you don't get it after that, then you are hopelessly tone deaf and have no taste :)

Uncle Garcia...AD, I gotta give him credit...his problem was that the Dead were just so self indulgent...but that was their charm...never were 2 shows the same...

The Deads sound was just a little too laid back for my taste...I like a little harder edge., alittle bite....like the early Rolling Stones...maybe that is the Detroit in me.

And the absolute wiz everybody forgets about is Ry Cooder...how many places have U heard his tracks without knowing its him providing the juice.