I feel sorry for the Hoff

[Nostril Cheese]

damn. This is sad

[nostatic]

wikipedia is amazing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hasselhoff#Videotaped_Drunk

[bell]

[jkarolyi]

Damn...a 16 year old girl lecturing her father (rather well, I might add) about drinking. Isn't that back a$$wards?

That girl obviously didn't get her brains from her father. I can't think of a worse lot in life than to be a kid of a self absorbed celebrity. I don't feel sorry for the Hoff at all...this and the way Martin Sheen treats his daughter is the real tragedy...poor girls.

[HardDrive]

Hasselhoff is a f*cking arrogant moron. A f*cking moron who goes to bed at night on a huge pile of money.

I feel bad for the kid. She's doing her best. Damn shame that the kid has to raise the dad.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally posted by jkarolyi
...............That girl obviously didn't get her brains from her father.

Alcoholism and who you "got your brains from" doesn't have a lot of correlation. For example:

QUOTE]Originally posted by jkarolyi
..................this and the way Martin Sheen treats his daughter is the real tragedy...poor girls. [/QUOTE]

Using your equation YOU would be an alcoholic since it was ALEC BALDWIN!!! that was verbally abusing his daughter!

Seriously, being an alcoholic has NOTHING to do with smarts, or will....at least not much. For some who are prone to it (like ME but I'm not an alcoholic) it can be extremely difficult to overcome, even impossible. BOTH my grandfathers were severaly alcoholic, in fact it killed them both. My father had times when he struggled with it as a young man but eventually stopped drinking altogether. I KNOW in my bones that if I allowed myself to do much drinking at all, I could easily become dependant.

[jkarolyi]

>it was ALEC BALDWIN!!! that was verbally abusing his daughter!

Oh...sorry...wrong smarmy liberal left wing "actor".

Kim Jong Il from Team America movie: "Oh, NO! Eric Bardwin!!!"

My brains comment was meant for the Hoff himself, not his alcoholism which I know is a terrible thing to overcome. I guess I understand why he'd be drawn to drink...imagine going through life having everybody laugh at you, have your wife leave you, a washed up career, and teenage daughters who are a helluva lot smarter than you showing the world your idiocy. No excuse for his actions in any case.

[tabs]

I have no time for people who make themselves into losers.

[widgeon13]

another clear case of the media showing how stupid they really are, that stuff doesn't need to be on the news, it serves no purpose whatsoever.

[Rick V]

Originally posted by Dan in Pasadena
Alcoholism and who you "got your brains from" doesn't have a lot of correlation. For example:

QUOTE]Originally posted by jkarolyi
..................this and the way Martin Sheen treats his daughter is the real tragedy...poor girls.

Using your equation YOU would be an alcoholic since it was ALEC BALDWIN!!! that was verbally abusing his daughter!

Seriously, being an alcoholic has NOTHING to do with smarts, or will....at least not much. For some who are prone to it (like ME but I'm not an alcoholic) it can be extremely difficult to overcome, even impossible. BOTH my grandfathers were severaly alcoholic, in fact it killed them both. My father had times when he struggled with it as a young man but eventually stopped drinking altogether. I KNOW in my bones that if I allowed myself to do much drinking at all, I could easily become dependant. [/QUOTE]
Dan,
It's good you recognise the potential in your life. I didn't and I almost lost my family. I ended up in handcuffs.
If it wasn't for my daughter I would hate to think where my life would be right now, if I would be alive at all.
I havn't touched a drop in over 3 years and I will never again drink a single shot.
I will never forget the look on the face of a 14 year old girl, when she caled the police on me............my little girl. The best thing she ever did, and I made a promise to her to remain sober.
Come to think about it she is the reason I quit smoking. We made a deal, she would quit if I did. we are both smoke free.

[89911]

The video reminds me of college days of late night snacking after a long nights drinking. I guess when your 21 its a little less sad then him.

[widgeon13]

Did he puke yet?

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally posted by tabs
I have no time for people who make themselves into losers.

Pretty judgemental tabs, maybe you should try walking a mile in someone else's shoes before making pronouncements?

The longer I've lived the LESS certain I am about most things. We ALL make mistakes large or small - usually many of them. It's what we ultimately DO about theose mistakes that defines us, I believe. I wish people had some empathy....the world would be a better place.

[sammyg2]

I'm with TABS on this one. Too many people out there trying to make excuses for bad judgement and lack of self-control. Here's a hint, life is tought for everyone, not just you.

If someone does stupid crap, they should pay the concequences and not have people line up to tell them it wasn't their fault, it was a disease, a pre-determined genetically influenced tendency. BAH!
We need better morals, not excuses.

[Moneyguy1]

Apparently, some of you have not fallen victim to an addiction or lived with someone who has. tabs...your cigars and gun collection are addictions, or could be considered as such by outside observers.

I get no jollies out of seeing anyone suffer or be made to look like a "loser" either by their own actions or through the actions of others. Sometimes, the lack of empathy here for others is depressing. THose who are so quick to judge exhibit the worst in the race.

[Dan in Pasadena]

I don't get it. People's seeming "need" to label others. Like the label "loser" or the need to make pronouncements that, "if you just had better morals..." Morality has little to do with making mistakes that lead to addiction for people that are prone to it.

Excuses? I don't think admitting you have an addiction makes you any less responsible for what you may have done under the influence of your addiction, nor should it. If you kill someone drunk driving, the law says you're responsible to the point of prosecution...and you should be.

But even though you might be put in jail (and it's only a "might") that doesn't make it any less true that the person was addicted. It doesn't excuse him in any way, it just makes his actions somewhat more understandable - notice, I did NOT say "forgiveable".

Does it somehow make you feel "better" to label a person with alcoholism a "loser"? Somehow validate your own life as "better lived" than his? Okay, I'll agree if you are NOT an alcoholic that is wonderful, and you are fortunate, absolutely no argument.

But except for those few that literally have NEVER taken a drink in their lives, most of us have drunk liquor in our lives, usually to some degree of excess at a time or times. So if you have done so, are you really ALL THAT MORALLY SUPERIOR? If you're not an alcoholic, not somewhat pre-disposed to it, how exactly would that make your one or one hundred times drunk, "more moral" the many times that the alcoholic got drunk? I don't get it, I really don't.

But if you feel superior to the alcoholic, go ahead. That just gives license to the next person to feel superior to YOU for something else. We're all the same guys. The longer I live the more I know it.

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by tabs
I have no time for people who make themselves into losers.

How about your addiction to food? Your the master buffeter are you not?

Do you consider yourself in good shape or obese?

Obesity is as much as an addiction as alcoholism. Yet fat america will ignore it and pretend its not an issue.

When I stopped drinking and eating bad 3 months ago guess which I missed the most?

Bad Food! I never gave drinking a backward glance.

I feel sorry for the guy that is sad more so because his daughter is seeing him like that and that is heartbreaking.

I have to wonder how he keeps in such good shape drinking like a fish though.

[notfarnow]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1

I get no jollies out of seeing anyone suffer or be made to look like a "loser" either by their own actions or through the actions of others. Sometimes, the lack of empathy here for others is depressing. THose who are so quick to judge exhibit the worst in the race.

That was nice to read.

We all have our personal, private struggles. Anger, depression, booze... whatever. I can't imagine what it'd be like to have millions of people watching MY worst moments on Youtube.

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by sammyg2
I'm with TABS on this one. Too many people out there trying to make excuses for bad judgement and lack of self-control. Here's a hint, life is tought for everyone, not just you.

If someone does stupid crap, they should pay the concequences and not have people line up to tell them it wasn't their fault, it was a disease, a pre-determined genetically influenced tendency. BAH!
We need better morals, not excuses.

Thank god your family has never been ripped apart by someone that is a drug addict or alcoholic.

My fathers family was ruined by my grandfather and his violent drinking binges. My grandmother in his old age bacame an alcoholic too and ceased to function as a person.

My sis in law is a drug addict that is sneaky as can be and will steal from any one of us in a heartbeat. My wifes wallet disapeared a few years ago never to be found. Total PITA having to cancel CC's and get new SS card DL etc...


My father pulled me aside when I was a teen and explained the tendency of my family to be dependent. He was a drug addict and had a bout with drinking too. I have never gone down that path but my personality is a lot different that them. I refuse to let anything or anyone own me. It was apparent when I was young when cousins would try to blackmail me with a dirty secret from school, rather than be blackmailed I would go to my parents and spill the secret just to kill the blackmailing.

I pray no one close to you ever has an issue with an addiction. It takes a lot of compassion and understanding to deal with it.

[widgeon13]

He won't look like that in a few years if he keeps drinking that way, that is if he is even alive.

He needs to get into some kind of program or treatment center. If he fails to acknowledge that he has a problem he will never rid himself of this problem and more than likely will die as a result of this abuse.

Most unfortunate but this is so much worse since it involves his children.