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Just picked up a old very very odd socket set
Just picked up a old very very odd socket set
came with a wood dovetailed box so it must be old crome winder style driver 1/2'' insert driver a very odd looking driver [kinda like a pepper mill] with 8 big exposed ratcheting teeth [double set to reverce] uses a ring to slide up and down to change ratchet direction fold out handel to turn it about 10'' long/high sheet steel formed sockets in 1/32 sized to over 1'' decal on box said AUTO CL5 SOCKET WRENCH SET MADE BY FRANK MOxxxxx CO [maybe morris] made in USA M in a diamond logo xxx are unreadable letters on old worn decal any ideas on who or where or when and value???? looks to be a very very early socket set any one else into old tools esp auto repair tools lots of old woodworking stuff on the net little meck type stuff |
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FOUND IT
patented in 1903 and replaced in production in 1912 with more modern design link to patent #751055 http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT751055 drawing http://www.google.com/patents?id=vrksAAAAEBAJ&pg=PP1 up dated patent Patent number: RE12379 Filing date: Apr 15, 1905 Issue date: Aug 15, 1905 Inventor: CAMILLE CONTAL http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPATRE12379 drawing http://www.google.com/patents?id=xTMiAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA24 "Auto-Cle" from the Quincy, Manchester, Sargent Company 751,055 81/58.3 C. Contal [Used for AUTO-CLE sets] 10/15/1903 02/02/1904 Ratchet wrench set Sargent Co bought by Frank Mossberg in 1908 , he was a notable inventor and businessman in Attleboro, Massachusetts, and owner of Frank Mossberg Co the maker of my tool set in 1912 Frank Mossberg patented a more modern ratchet and sometime afterwards droped production of my tool set date it to about 1910 + or - a few years link to mossberg co history http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-arti...ml#mossberg-350 GOT TO LOVE THE INTERNET FOR THIS KIND OF INFO __________________ |
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Can you post a pic, would love to see your find.
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Hey, those are mine! I let a guy borrow them and he never gave them back...
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one of gods prototypes
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let's see some pics
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I love old tools also.. I find many when I dig pools along with old bottles and things.. here's a pic of my old rule my buddy bought for $1 at a garage sale. way cool. found a sickle, paspartou (hand saw) a lock and other things at my great grandmothers old homestead 20 years after it was abandoned.. my 80 yr old great aunt remembered cutting grass as a child with the sickle. I've got a bunch of old tools I find here and there. I do need to remember one day to take that wwII 30 cal machine gun bullets and belt with the tracers off my fireplace. that's where most of my tools hang
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05-08-2007, 04:54 AM
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that's pretty cool. interesting stuff.
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a few of the old things I've found or was given over the years.. I've got more things like bottles, money, motors, old cars, etc.. even had an old girlfriend until last year haha
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Question is...is the set complete. The value is in a complete set. I would clean the set with a bit of solvant to degrease, and maybe degease the box, simple green or murphys oil soap. don't remove any orginal finish on the box or tools. My guess $75 to maybe $125. Could be way off though, as I don't follow tool collecting. It just ain't a Spoon.
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Nice pics. Really like old tools...
My Great, Great Grandfather was a blacksmith and I have a brace and bit that he made out of steel by hand. Still works...
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value is way more then 125-150
as I found the newer sets that are smaller both in socket size and the number of them and use a more modern style flat wrench offered at that price range and the odd style wrench is what really sets the value as they were only made a few years and very early in the auto era I would guess 300 to 500 maybe more |
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05-08-2007, 09:53 PM
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1973 Porsche 914 1.7 very modifed
1985 Porsche 911 carrera targa 3.2
