This is Why We have Guns
 

This punk got what he deserved, I hope his friends end up the same way!!!

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070519/NEWS01/705190372&imw=Y

Absolutely nothing wrong there.

Thats the kind of news I like to see!

Just once in a great while justice is not perverted.

Jolly good show!

Too bad this won't get any news coverage beyond the local area.

happy ending. one more criminal off the street is a good thing.

While I appreciate the article, that is not the reason I have guns. I have a S&W J frame .38 (442), and my carry permit, but THIS is the real reason I have guns:

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dude, killing innocent animals is not right. That animal has every right to life as you do, and not an ounce less..

You are so forking thick at times.

Dude, walking out in the woods or on your land and a deer like that comes at you. You can defend yourself if needed if you have a weapon..

Dude, you come around a corner or over the crest of a hill at night and run into a deer that just jumped out into the road, wounding him with the car. Having a pistol with you allows you to put the animal out of its misery in a humane way.

There are many reasons why there is a good reason to have a weapon with you when you are out driving around.

Dude, get a clue before hitting the enter button next time...

Byron,

Excellent post and another Darwin candidate is taken out of the gene pool!

Well, I should have worded it better, like "A good Reason"

Me, I also enjoy hunting, nothing better than fresh NY deer meat, but I also enjoy collecting & shootinghttp://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/ar15.gif

Jimbo: "They're coming right for us!"

Ned: "mmmmmm-they're-mm-coming-mm-right-mm-for-mm-us-mmm"

It sounds like things are changing -- for the better -- in Michigan since I lived there.

I wonder if the punks knew that the gun was unloaded? The story reads kind-of weird since in one of the car-jacking attempts the writer states that the trigger was pulled. If the punk knew the gun was unloaded, why would he bother pulling the trigger? It sounds like he either didn't know the gun was unloaded and intended to murder that victim, or he was really sadistic and enjoyed terrorizing his victims.

Whatever the case, we can know with certainty that the world is a better place without him!

Excellent. Let's hear it for competent, well-trained gun-toters. With any luck, he's not only removed one lowlife from the streets, but taught the others an important lesson about life and death.

Sweet. Wonder if he got him before he could reproduce?

Doubt it...

Good. I wish CA would get its head out of its ass and allow CCW.

Hunting? Don't understand it. If someone wants to get their jollies by turning some defenseless animal into a bloody pulp just for thrills, I don't understand the motivation at all. IMHO it's one very small step away from the types of people that like to torture/kill pets.

Awesome!

Even though I'm a card carrying liberal, I guess the fact that I'm a Texan skews my gun control views toward the right :D. Well... that and common sense.

It sounds like you've never been hunting.

It is not a sport I personally enjoy to any extreme extent, but would suggest you try hunting sometime -- you will learn that it can be extremely thrilling.

Our culture is much too "suburbanized" -- I think a whole lot more people really need to go hunting to understand their human-animal nature better. After you've been hunting, you will better understand your "hunter/gatherer" human ancestry.

(....and people who torture/kill pets are completely out-of-touch with their "human-animal nature.")

I spent my early years learning to shoot through the NRA youth competitions and became fairly proficient with both long and short weapons. Skeet is the only armed sport I participate in now.
I have hunted dove, rabbit, pheasant and deer. I once shoot a rabbit at 600 yards with a 308 heavy barrel. The last time I went out was after big horn sheep, some 30 years ago.
There is no challenge to shooting a deer or big horn with a hi-powered rifle. You might as well shoot a cow.
The challenge is in the hunt not the kill.
I must admit that killing these helpless creatures started to sicken me.
At this point I choose to even admire the fish rather than kill them. Imagine, trick an intellectually inferior animal into biting a hook and then spending the most time possible torturing the terrified animal just for fun.
If you did the same thing with a cat they would send you to therapy. I believe I will celebrate natures wonders rather than murder them.

As for defending yourself from an assailant, very impressive. The truth is that you are more likely to shoot a friend or family member than any would be attacker. I would not for a moment suggest limiting law abiding citizens from owning firearms but I chuckle every time someone suggests that it's all about safety or sport.
Let's be honest, for most of you toothless, mounth breathing gun owners, holding a gun makes your pecker hard.:)

Believe it or not, there are many people in this land of plenty who must kill food in order to feed their family. If they don't hunt they don't eat. I'm sure you find that hard to believe but it is true, even in America.

How is it any different from killing a steer for the steak you might eat tonight. Just someone else doing the the killing.

I'm fortunately not one of them, but I certainly support the concept whether you have to do it to survive or for the challenge and recreation.

People like Joe who are so quick to criticize and demean are the same type of people who pass moral judgements onto others.

It takes a big man to pull the trigger and MURDER a defenseless animal who is just standing there taking in some fresh air, who is not a threat to you. I believe that animal has every right to exist on this planet as you do. How would YOU feel if you were suddenly shot in the head just standing outside? would it feel good ?

I did some biomedical research at Boston Children's hospital in 1995. the basement is where they kept all the animals, waiting to be operated on and then euthanized. I'm not proud of those days, and i was too naive. I operated on a few rabbits and then injected them with poison. There were other animals in that basement, dogs, rabbits, a few pigs. The barking from the dogs trapped in their cages and the other sounds I still keep and have nightmares of to this day.

Joe, have you ever been caged up waiting to be "operated" on ?
Why would you subject the same torture upon an innocent animal? Next time you cuddle with your pet, know they are lower on the food/intelligent chain than a deer you have no problem in MURDERING.
I'm an animal lover (go ahead, make your childish joke) - I don't MURDER them for fun. People who do have serious issues.

My wife gives me a hard time about the spiders I trap and take outside to put in the woods. she'd just rather smash them up and make a big mess .

SmileWavy

If a person is HONESTLY killing to feed themselves, I can understand it. I don't. Could/would I if there was a nuclear attack or whatever and I had to in order to survive? You bet. It's easier for me to simply go whip up a bowl of pasta or whatever though.

This sure has taken a turn. Killing a deer to me is no different than setting a mouse trap. They are no different than rodents, way, way overpopulated, carry ticks that carry lyme disease and cause lots of car accidents. Like coyotes, you could shoot them all day long and not puta dent in the population. That said, killing an animal is no different than killing a plant. Both are living beings. If you eat veggies only, you're still killing living things so you can eat. If you buy ANY kind of meat whatsoever, it's been killed out of your sight, but it's no different than shooting it yourself. Just a little less work for you.

That is perhaps the nub of the argument for some.

Killing for food = OK

Killing for sport = ???????

I have a gun because I do not want to be anyone's subject.

I love this part:

"Then they gave him back his gun."

Like he wouldn't need it anymore.

Shame he didn't cap the other three and save the taxpayers the expense.

I guess he should have armed himself better. Bringing antlers to a gun fight was his first mistake. I mean, a baseball bat, a knife, a taser....all understandable errors. But, antlers? What a moron.

Rick:

(with some degree of humor).....Humans carry their quota of diseases as well.. Using your argument.......

So glad you are above passing moral judgement.

People eat meat. Meat comes from animals. Get over it.

On-ramp, just curious, are you a vegetarian, and/or do you wear anything made of leather?

Excellent news story. Thanks for sharing it!

Rick, plants aren't sentient beings as far as most people can tell. Have you been talking to the cactus again? ;)

Then they gave him back his gun.

I love stories with happy endings!

It is very clear that some here have no clue about hunting, I guess they would rather have the deer starve to death and suffer or get hit by a car rather than a quick death where the meat is used.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1179712520.jpg

It is all Walt Disney's fault. He made the movie "Bambi."

Should we kill all of the bears, cougars, lions, coyotes, sharks, eagles, etc. because they eat other sentient beings?

maybe, but then we wouldn't have any professional sports teams to watch...

A) No offense, but it sounds like you need to talk to someone about this. I'm not just pulling your chain man. You reactions to this thread make it pretty clear that you have never gotten past this.

I spent a year in Boston because my wife was doing her fellowship at Childrens. I have walked the same halls you walked. Animal research is far uglier than anything that goes on in the world of hunting. It must have been traumatic.

B) I don't murder animals for fun. Raising a rifle to your shoulder, and shooting a beautiful deer dead is not fun. Its a dramatic, emotionally charged moment, for me anyway. I don't take it lightly, nor do I find it 'fun'.

Flying into Detroit, and driving 12 hours to northern Michigan with my 63 year old dad (who I never get to see), thats fun.

Sitting around the cabin drinking wine with 3 generations of hunters swapping stories and catching up on the year, thats fun.

Talking about the gear we are going to bring endlessly for months before we go, thats fun.

Sighting in my rifle is fun.

But that moment, that moment we you squeeze the trigger, and the deer falls, thats a moment with some import, for me anyway.

If you want to write hunters off as mindless, blood thirsty hicks, that fine. But your ultimately doing it to cover up your own guilt about what you did in Boston.


*ahem*, well, your hours up, time to get off the couch. That will be $150 dollars please. :p

I spent a good part of my childhood in a rural area; we didn't live on a commercial farm, but did raise our own animals to slaughter and eat.

I never quite understand people who get all "sentimental" about animals; I don't understand how people can conclude animals have some type of "human-like" intelligence. They are really exceeding stupid.

This short clip demonstrates their stupidity (we raised sheep -- this is sooo typical of their behavior!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0rusLBotY

he's got dead cow in both of his 911s.

i'm not a big gun guy, but the story about the punk getting his due is pretty good.