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How do you Americans react to this ?

Besides in the military and in the holster of policemen, as far as I can remember, I have not come in contact with any fire arms at all during my 41 years of life.

I think thatīs good.






I am in that kind of mood today.
Almost midnight here. On call, pretty slow so far.

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Old 06-30-2007, 01:26 PM
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Re: How do you Americans react to this ?

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Besides in the military and in the holster of policemen, as far as I can remember, I have not come in contact with any fire arms at all during my 41 years of life.

I think thatīs good.






I am in that kind of mood today.
Almost midnight here. On call, pretty slow so far.
Well, like a guy who has never had a really hot chick or nice car, you don't know what you are missing
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:48 PM
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Marcus,

How did you have a run in with a solder fielding a firearm?

Its OK with my red neck..But I would feel naked without my firarms. Considering in the US, only the bad guys would have them then..

The vast majority of Americans own a firearm! They are not going anywhere anytime soon..
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Marcus,

To stir the pot again..You should have titled this thread " I think Americans shouldn't own Firearms. I have never needed to shoot anyone in Sweden".



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The only time I need a gun is when someone else is planning to harm myself or my family. I don't put up with that crap, and I don't rely on someone else to take care of me.

Having weapons helps me sleep better at night, even if I never use them.
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The Swiss males all have a fully automatic weapon at home. No issues there...
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I touch guns every single day and don't want to be without them. I've never seen a cop stop a dangerous situation, but I've seen plenty of them. Best not to rely on anyone else for your safety.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:00 PM
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I have heard about hot chicks. Didnīt think it was all that cracked up... Maybe I should try it some day. Whatīs the going rate these days?

I can see your point if living in a society with a significant crime rate that, without a personal canon, will statistically drastically lower your expected time on Earth. Unless you accidentally shoot yourselves in the foot or hurt your family members instead..

Still, does it not feel a tiny bit sad that matters are the way they are in that respect ?

Incidentally, Mr. Moore did have a relevant point asking: Donīt you think it is kind of risky handing out guns in a bank (for opening an account) ???
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Home invasion gone wrong for criminals.


Two illegal aliens, Raphael Resindez 23, and Enrico Garza 26, probably believed they would easily overpower and rape a home alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things, they were in Montana, and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buck shot from the 11 year'olds knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals. OUCH!


When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.


It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery, where the victim, 50 year old David Burien, was not so lucky, as he died from stab wounds to the chest.

Had this happened in CA, the ACLU would be out in force suing the 11 year old girl. (Not to mention the LaRaza groups claiming she was discriminating.)

Nice'Shootin', Patricia!


That is what we call gun control!

Actually ... it`s more like 'criminal control' by using gun control ......
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+1 Nick! Stay proficient. Neither myself or my wife have ANY problem in making the decision. There would be NO hesitation if the situation required deadly force.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:56 PM
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That is scary. On one hand her actions possibly saved her life. On the other hand - how does a little girl react on the fact that she has shot and killed two persons (whether they deserved it or not).
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One topic that will always bring out quite diverse opinions is the subject of firearms. I, for one, do not at this time own any, but I respect the right of those who do. It is just unfortunate that so many of us feel that having a firearim for protection (rather than hunting or competition) is necessary. It is a problem that seems to grow more serious with time, and I wish I knew why.......Perhaps it is the flawed nature of humanity and the need to counter that flaw..
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That is scary. On one hand her actions possibly saved her life. On the other hand - how does a little girl react on the fact that she has shot and killed two persons (whether they deserved it or not).
Well, better than living in fear the rest of her life if they only raped & beat, mutilated her & left her for dead. I would rather live knowing I that I did the world a favor and saved who knows how many others from those too, of course just the fact of still being alive would be enough for most. I look at my guns like some of my cars, do I really need them, no, but they are styles I like (914-6GT, RSR, AR-15, ect) and how they preform, I love shooting targets, frozen 2 liter bottles, ect.
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Livi:

Questioning the right to bear arms in America is like a foreigner questioning Abba, or vodka or Lutfisk in Sweden. No good can come of it.
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Would be great if guns were only for sport (hunting and trap shooting).
But with a country of 300 Million (Versus 9M in Sweden), there are definitely different issues.

My wife is Swiss and every single man in her family has a gun (big deal). They too skipped WW2.

Swedes are pretty cool, and your women are awesome (I have worked with Ericsson a lot). The fact that your country was not even a consideration for invasion during WW2, stresses the countries ability BE neutral through even difficult times.
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My wife is Swiss and every single man in her family has a gun (big deal). They too skipped WW2.

Swedes are pretty cool, and your women are awesome (I have worked with Ericsson a lot). The fact that your country was not even a consideration for invasion during WW2, stresses the countries ability BE neutral through even difficult times.
That's revisionist history.

The Swiss profited handsomely from their "neutrality". And they only reason Hitler didn't take Switzerland was because it suited him. It certainly wasn't - as the Swiss would have you believe - because of the fearsome Swiss military.

As for Sweden, it's neutrality suited Hitler and it was of no strategic significance. Besides it was pretty firmly in his pocket, and "why buy the cow when the milk is free?"
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Dottore,
I know and I believe you are correct on both counts in both posts regarding Sweden. We (thankfully) were allowed to 'chicken out' - and we (our government) chose that option. Double standard in all itīs beauty.

However, in my opinion you may question Lutfisk any day. It it simply awful. Vodka too, but at least it has a nice effect.
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The story posted by Ron is an urban legend. On the other hand I believe in being prepared. The crime rate in my town is extremely low, probably lower than where you live Marcus. I don't care. I keep a gun readily available and hope I never need it. But should someone break into my home while my family is inside they will not be leaving it alive.

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