Yo Racerbvd
Get the Quote right

"Like driving the sh$t out of your Porsche without oil, destroying it from the inside.
Burn it up and destroy! Go Bush! Faster!! Destroy!!!"

Please do not mis quote me!
Neo Cons.....

Couldnt have anything to do with the fact that the judges decision to put him in jail was based on a witch hunt and nothing to do with what the trial was started for in the first place could it?

Are you saying that judges should have no check and balance system, that THEIR power is absolute and that they are God here on earth and never making a mistake? The Constitution allowed for the President to do things like this as a way to correct actions like this, so now I guess you do not agree with the Constitution? If you guys agree with this then guess the Dry Cleaners that the judge sued last month should have been rewarded $65 MILLION dollars for a single pair of pants? Judges make mistakes and this ruling was a mistake that has now been corrected.

Traditional values? You mean like having multiple affairs while being married? Blow jobs with an intern in the White House instead of running the country, then lying about it on national television, only to be proven to be a liar later when the sperm matches his DNA? This is the kind of "traditional values" that you guys respect?

You guys are who are drooling over this and saying "King George" are as bad if not worse as the person you are slamming IMHO... Guess you have no values.

please, all this posturing.

this has nothing to do with Libby and everything with Bush taking his glove and going home when all the big kids on the block wouldn't let him play. it's a desperate little stand to say I have power. In this week alone, Bush has been told by:

Dick Luger: "You're irrelevant"

Putin: "You're irrelevant"

Terrorists: "You're irrelevant"

Cheney: "You're irrelevant"

Every Presidential candidate: "You're irrelevant"


Red faced and holding back the tears, he wimpers to the world, "yes I am." and sulks home.

I never thought he would stoop so low as to commute a sentence that he didn't even begin to serve. I don't know how you can call this case a witch hunt. It was initiated by pursued by the same administration that it was targeted. If anything that is a conflict of interest.

The guy lied in court. Not a case of forgetting details. Out right lied about the facts. At the grand jury and in court too.

I guess thats ok if your boss in Dick Cheney.

Typically pardons are granted after the sentence is served. I would not be surprised to see him get the full pardon at the end too.

Whoa! hold on there. the Pelican OT Right Wing Nutball Peanut Gallery has weighed in on this topic and he definitely didn't lie. He only forgot, to uh, tell the truth. I'm not sure where you get your info, but these guys are in the know. ;)

Now how about pardoning the Border Patrol agents?

They haven't got me yet Ryan. ;)

"The guy lied in court. Not a case of forgetting details. Out right lied about the facts. At the grand jury and in court too. "

Someone must be talking about Clinton again.

+1

+1000

The legal authorities in this case really need to be over-ridden. Another example of "the judge is not always right"...

It's been a while so correct me with the details. Scooters lie was saying he learned of Plame from Russert rather than from someone else. He claimed it was a memory lapse and they claim it was to misdirect.

Is the actual testimony available?

Heard Alan Colmes last night trying to contort the Libby story to imply that Libby had leaked Valerie Plame's identity.

I thought we already had a confession regarding the leak and IT WASN'T LIBBY, CHEYNEY OR ROVE!!! Nor was Libby convicted of leaking Plame's name.

Typical leftist media type. If he tells a lie often enough, maybe people will believe it. Can his type ever just concede defeat on this issue and report on something factual?

Sorry, but I don't think Hillary would have granted him a full pardon.

Yawn. I guess we should abolish the jury system for criminal trials for neocon gov't officials. Juries can't be trusted to acquit them in spite of the testimonies and evidence provided in court. They should defer to PPOT where the brilliant legal minds congregate. :rolleyes:


Carry on.

Her husband granted more than enough full pardons to real criminals, so why not Hitlery? Scooter is not a criminal and did not get a pardon so why is everyone upset?

If everyone thinks that this is a miss-carriage of justice, then please explain how Sandy Berger did not one day in jail after STEALING classified materials?

Seem to remember that the judge over-ruled the jury in this one and gave more time in jail and fines. He had a hard on for Scooter from the beginning.

But he was a conservative Repub. judge, if my memory hasn't failed me.

edit: ...and the prosecutor asked for a more harsh sentence than what the judge settled on.

Libby should never have been charged in the first place. Everything after that just exacerbated the miscarriage of justice. The only crime that was committed here was Joe Wilson's testimony before the Senate Intel. Committee, which they said in their report was FALSE. But he wasn't ever even mentioned as a target of the investigation.

If your co-worker outs a CIA agent with cover (confirmed by the CIA, BTW), and you lie to obstruct the prosecution of the case against your co-worker, you will spend a lot of years in federal prison, RL. You know this is true.

Wilson is another matter, entirely.

Whose co-worker? Colin Powell's deputy at State, Richard Armitage?

Armitage & Rove.

Please take emotion and ideology out of the equation, Richard. Just stick to the law.

Ok, I'll stick to the law. Rove was never a target of the investigation, was not charged, not indicted. Same for Armitage except he ADMITTED being the leaker. See the problem here?

No. Armitage was cooperating with the prosecutor and I have no idea what arrangements were made between them.

Richard, lets try my earlier question again, but this time lets make it personal...

Suppose your co-worker (Joe Blow) outs a CIA agent with cover (confirmed by the CIA, BTW), and you (RL) lie to obstruct the prosecution of the case against your co-worker (Joe Blow), you (RL) will spend a lot of years in federal prison. Do you doubt that? And it would be appropriate.

Jim, you're assuming Libby was trying to protect Amritage which is not true. Armitage had already admitted it.

Yeah James, if your scenario were anything at all like what happened, I might agree with the verdict. But it's not even close.

Not assuming anything. There was a conviction on multiple counts. I guess politics makes it all better. Poor unfairly picked on Libby.

Let's stop trying to retry the case in OT. Sandy Berger's skivvies, the stained blue dress, Bill's BJ and "is" and what other administration characters did is irrelevant. Libby was convicted.

really? You have any inside information that the prosecution was not aware of?

I was going to ask you the same question.

I'm sworn to secrecy. :D

Valerie Plame was not a "black" CIA employee. She had told several of her neighbours that she was a company employee and it was well known around DC.

Otherwise agree with what you are saying but she does not fit into this catagory, no matter how much she might want to make us feel this way.

The CIA disputed your claim, Joe.

So have a lot of other people who were not guilty as well. You want to overlook this I assume?

Yes. It's called "focus."

They didn't do so until around the time Libby was indicted, long after they were asked about this. They stalled and stalled on this, trying to cover their a$ses for their pi$s poor job of defining her status or "protecting" her cover, letting her pose for the cover of Vanity Fair, list the CIA as her employer when she donated to Al Gore's campaign, list herself in Who's Who in American. If our spies are really this bad, we are in big trouble.

Anyway, Wilson made bogus allegations about Cheney in the NYT. Would you have bought it had Cheney said, "Those allegations are false, but I can't tell you why because it would lead to the identity of an undercover operative who arranged for Wilson to make this trip?" Yeah, I'm sure everyone would have bought that.

What does that have to do with anything?

Dodge, weave, jump, pull back, dodge, weave...

For the life of me, I don't understand why some of you want two levels of justice in America. Shouldn't all be held accountable, equally under the law?

It has a lot to do with everything, since her covert status was in question for the entire length of the investigation. In fact, I don't recall any reporter mentioning exactly when the CIA confirmed that she was undercover. It was an open question until after Libby's indictment, which makes one wonder if the CIA changed anything to give the investigation some more legs. Has nothing to do with Libby, since he wasn't charged with leaking her name. But the crime Fitzgerald was after could have been substantiated long before it was, which would have given his fishing expedition a little more legitimacy. How would you like to have on your resume a two-year, multi-million dollar investigation that never charged anyone for what you were originally investigating?

I give up. You believe what you want to believe. You pol's are the only good pol's. Everyone's conspiring against your pol's. It's all an evil plot.

Absolutely. And that's why Joe Wilson belongs in jail. Not only did his op-ed in the NYT out his wife by drawing attention to himself and how he picked for the trip, he also LIED to the Senate Intel. Comm., which is a fed. crime.

Libby....this thread is about Libby.