Tony

Bunching people together like that is generally wrong. Not all liberals are athiests no more than all conservatives are christains. It weakens an argument to make such generalities.

It is all so confusing since I am conservative on some issues and more liberal on others. So is part of me athiest and the other religious?

No its not and yes I have lived in sin. But my love making to Jennifer is not "banging" its showing affection. Yes its wrong but something I am powerless over. I am human. I sin.

Sorry Bob...you have to choose which box to go into. There is no room for gray in this life...too complicated. Black or white. Conservative or liberal. Dem or Repub. Christian or Athiest. Right or wrong.

Pick a box...and be sure to put everyone you know into a box too. Makes hating people much easier and more efficient. ;)

Cop-out. You choose to do it, then feel better about it because you have an excuse ("I sin") and "ask forgiveness."

And isn't that the sort of thing a liberal does? Clinton would be proud of you, son :)

Moneyguy I see where your coming from but your faith should trump everything else. You must know that if the libs had it their way there would no religion but environmentalism.

Thanks Todd..

It is a big order, but if I really put myself into the task, perhaps it isn't too late....

So sin isn't sin because we are human? Did I miss something? So sin can be rationalized away? And all this time.......

Premarital sex is bad and wrong but this is just another example of atheist using a wedge issue to attack Christianity.

with proponents like you, they don't need a wedge (sorry, I'm not an atheist). Or a putter even...it's a gimmie.

And now, to the 19th hole. What are you drinking?

I do not think that is true. We all have a personal internal morality code. What may be acceptable for one party may be offensive to another. Premarital sex? Who marries a couple? According to what I have learned, the couple marry each other and the JP, priest or minister is simply a witness for the state.
Therefore personal committment is paramount.

P.S. Like I said previously...Political beliefs do not necessarily reflect religious beliefs.

I admit Im imperfect. Thats more than any lib or atheist on the board has ever owned up to. I'm certainly not foolish enough to believe I know all the answers as I suspect many of you believe you do.

Tony

I think most of the folks here will say that I try really hard to be fair to everyone here, and show respect even when I disagree with them. When I needed their understanding recently, it poured out in quantities so huge that I was truly touched. It did not matter their political or religious leanings, they were all supportive. I am neither athiest nor am I any other easily attached label. Most here are far too complex to be easily categorized. I would like to think that it is your youth and inexperience that leads you to label others. It is unbecoming and will, in a short time alienate you like a few others in the history of this BB have been. Ease up a bit and don't be so tight a$$ed. Please.

I'll always call a spade a spade or in this case a Lib a Lib.

It's nice to know that personally you believe that you don't know everything; your alter-ego web persona is certainly one of a judgmental know-it-all.

Kurt

I hate that this thread has been hijacked and is now aimed at me. Whats amazing is that 90% of the atheist,liberals and loose living types are all from California. Thats got to be more than just coincidental.

duh! We like it out here and are glad that open-minded people like yourself are...um...somewhere else.

"Loose living types" - that's funny!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/337219-10.html

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/338335-who-here-has-hottest-old-lady.html

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=345581

pretty much speaks for itself...

Like I said women have been a vice for me. Im trying thats all a guy can do.

if trying is the best you can do, then maybe you want to reconsider throwing stones...glass houses and all that. Then again, I'm from Cali, so you might want to take that advice with a grain of salt.

so you judge others, imply they have deviant lifestyles and are condemned to eternal torment by your loving merciful god, but it's okay for you to do what you want because you're weak willed? you were taught by the group that wrote the rules you don't follow to condemn others? talking the talk again. don't so what I do, do what I say do is what one teacher used to tell us.

I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe he died for all our sins. Yes mine too. This is America we believe in God as it says in our pledge to the allegiance and on our legal tender.

That's because you appear to be a wacko.

Edit: ..."paranoid delusional wacko"

he reads that as he's stuffing the "legal tender" in stripper's g-strings Saturday night and Sunday morning he's asking for forgiveness. hahaha just teasing ya!

You all engage this anti faith rhetoric. But I wonder how many of you would pray to something if your child was on life support.

OK. I have to ask. Just how old are you?

So now We're equating belief in god to something for the foolish or inexperienced?

Well, you started it. What do you expect?

I am from a small Texas town, but does that really matter? There are good people everywhere.

Your judgment of other people you don't know is just plain ignorance. You even judge people based on where they are from . . .

Some people might consider your beliefs bigoted and hypocritical. At the minimum, they're a long way from those beliefs espoused in that book your religion covets so.

I have found in my own life that I get along with most reasonable, intelligent folks of all religions or non-religions from many different places in the US and in the world. I also don't make flash judgments about people I have never seen or met.

I am holding out hope for you that you are actually a reasonable and intelligent person who is just having some fun here. If not, get thee to a nunnery!

Best,

Kurt

Here is a zinger, I am a christian, yet I do not believe December 25th is Christs birthday and I have the equipment to not celebrate it yet I get crap from everyone around me, and my children get ridiculed in school because we do not worship the same as everyone esle.

But, at the end of the day, I have enough guts to stand up and not celebate the holiday.

Yet, you, who do not believe in Christ, join in with the rest of the christians and celebrate it because it is fun throwing everything you believe, or don't believe out the window for a day of fun.

Nope sorry wrong.... Im God fearing man this is a God fearing nation. Liberals need to stop painting the country to be something its not.

No. But you're comments are so ill considered, that I'm wondering whether you are very young and immature or just daft as a brush - or both.

Hit too close to home. Fearful you might find faith in a time of great need?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/338905-911-most-street-cred.html

You lost me here. It takes guts not to celebrate a holiday? Holy crap!

Christmas IS a holiday whether I like it or not. Actually I like it. And on holidays, I usually get together with friends and celebrate. Christ and when he was born - or not - has zero to do with this. But it has everything to do with good friends and good food and wine. It could be Santa Clause's birthday for all I care.

OK. Got it, thanks.

Time for a scotch.

better make it a double...and get me a shot of Patron

Its a Christian adaptation of a Pagen holiday. Its widespead accepted definition of the holiday is Christs Birthday. I am aware the Catholic Church took the Solstice Holiday of the Sun God on Dec. 25th and turned it into the birth of the Son of God to help keep followers in church and not chasing after fun pagen holidays. Hmmmm. I see some irony here.

Twist it any way you want to make it work for you but in the end it is a Christian Celebration of Christs Birthday.

I do not believe it is the right date and Christ never celebrated his birthday as far a biblical doctrine goes, the only recorded mention of birthday celebrations were those of Pagan worshipers. Furthermore Christ instructed his followers to memorialize his death not his birth, bacause biblical doctrine puts more emphesis on his sacrifuce not his birth.

Like I said, make it whatever you want to turn it into so you can partake in the fun but in the end its the Christian Celebration of Christs Birth. It does not seem like something a Pagen who does not believe in god would want to partake in.

Maybe take up worshiping the Sun God?

I am mostly Buddhist because it does not claim a monopoly on truth and believes that your salvation is your responsibility.

I do believe in a higher power, just not one that any single religion could capture.

Want to discuss Valentines day, Easter? All Christian Holidays too, do Pagens celebrate them as well because they are "fun".

What slant do you put on them so you can justify celebrating them as well.

"Honey, I do not believe in God so your not getting a St. Velentines day gift"

Just wondering how you deal with that one as well.

Again, I do not believe in St. Valentine so I do not bother with the holiday. Same goes for Easter, a holiday deeply rooted in Pagen tradition yet a big holiday for Christians the world over. I would imagine, as someone who does not believe in Christ, you do not celebrate the resurrection of him. But, I could be wrong.

You are seriously missing the point. If there is a holiday - I'll celebrate. That's what holidays are for. I seriously do not celebrate the birth of Christ at Xmas - nor do I know anyone in my circle of friends that does. I could care less. But people have time off work and it is a season for celebrating and so we do. I see no deep irony in this - and I certainly haven't understood why it "takes guts" not to celebrate Xmas. Care to explain?

Ah yes. The classic Fox News approach.

Attack someone with a completely over the top accusation, then get defensive when they come after you, and try and portray yourself as the victim.

You started this post Tony. If you want it to go away, just stop responding.

No, its pointless trying to explain.

Your not a christian but partake in christian celebrations even though you do not believe in christ and you do not see anything weird about that.

I get it now, if its fun, you do it even if it goes against what you do not believe in.

Jim, I think that most people wouldn't really go along with your reasoning. All holidays have been hijacked, and the meaning is determined by the individual. There is no "universal" or singular meaning for a holiday.

Having a tree and exchanging presents is NOT a Christian celebration. Going to church on the 25th is. It is a little dogmatic to say that if one take part in any traditions, even if they are secular, that they are "partaking" from a Christian stance.