China is trying to kill us all slowly
 

Check this out , it's at least interesting.


http://www.
who-sucks.com/business/made-in-china-2007-danger-timeline

Try this, yours got cut off.

http://www.who-sucks.com/business/made-in-china-2007-danger-timeline

One thing to ponder is, because China makes so much, they are bound to have more incidents and recalls. That said, I don't trust them or their products.

Knock-off cheap junk with little or no original engineering input made by unskilled, low-wage or slave laborers in sweatshop conditions in a country with no liability laws is somehow supposed to live up to western standards for safety and reliability?

You can't seriously be surprised by this.

Even Korea has nothing to fear from China.......yet. Someday they will get their quality up to snuff, then we will have cause for concern. Until then, Made In China = put back on shelf.

mmmm guys I have to differ. I just bought a Shanling CD player from China. With tubes and the best of Sony and Phillips digital technology combined (legally obtained by Chinese). It is a beautiful, incredibly well built and designed high quality product that sounds fantastic.

The Chinese aren't confining themselves to knock offs and low quality manufacturing. They are already making inroads on high end audio that many people are noticing and purchasing. Shanling is only one of a number of Chinese high end audio producers.

If they can produce and sell all kind of junk like that...it's because people buy them...!!!

Where are our Customs folks? About as well funded as their sister agency the immigration folks, I imagine...

Don't blame the Chinese, they are trying to make a buck. (Or a Yuan.) Blame our throwaway consumerist society and our all-trusting government.

Others want to kill us, not the Chinese.

An exception to the 90% rule we are talking about.

I'm going to PM you about your system, here is a link to mine.

http://www.martinloganowners.com/~tdacquis/forum/showthread.php?t=531

You have the CD player I would replace mine with.:)

EVERYTHING in Walmart is made in China...Go buy a Craftman tool -made in China. Very little consumer items arn't. I'm not going to rant about this I dont want to sound like a Chinese made CD.

I just put it up for the boards viewing pleasure. I have no argument either way I guess..except to say we let it happen.

Pretty much all electroincs today are made in China.

Shenzhen was a fishing village in 1980.....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184078589.jpg

The Chinese are capable of making some very high end stuff, they are very capable of inventing, designing and innovating as well. I have seen it first hand.

Do not underestimate them. They were the dominant economy for most of our history, they just got a little bit distracted in the last 100 years or so.

They're CAPABLE of making some very high-end stuff, but it's easier for them to cop out and just rip off everyone else's work and hide behind their non-existent copyright laws. Why work to make money when you can make the same money and have someone else do the work?

In that respect, they're quite shrewd and savvy and cunning - but not innovative and most definitely NOT our friends.

I really blame ourselves for this. We don't enforce patents or copyrights, we don't play hardball with them on anything. We asked for it.

Yes, on this I completely agree. Feeding the greed beasty is the #1 priority in America that trumps everything else - from sensible foreign policy to trade diplomacy to tariff enforcement to who to make war on. If you can provide America with a cheaper plastic thing-a-ma-whatsy, you apparently get a free pass on human rights violations, international safety standards, pollution and emissions standards and copyright/intellectual property law. As long as you get your toaster for two bucks cheaper, it's easier to just let 'em go.

On this, the Chinese are ******* BRILLIANT - they've discovered that America is its own worst enemy in that it can't say "no" to anything when it comes to restraining consumption and they turn our Achilles' heel (our greed) back on ourselves and use it to destroy us with. Actually quite brilliant. Brutal, but brilliant.

http://www.bianchiusa.com/typo3temp/9d6464c686.jpg
Not necessarily this particular model (the Bianchi Virata), but it's a known fact that many high-end Italian cycling companies like Bianchi and Colnago, manufacture their road/race bikes in China. In my opinion, anyone who pays above $2,500 for a Chinese-made bicycle, should be very aware of what quality they could receive. In other words, would you trust it on a 40 mph descent? Will it crack in half when you sprint or climb hills on it? And finally, will you kick yourself knowing you've spent $2,500 on what has been touted as a traditional Italian performance bicycle only to be made in an industry that has virtually no cycling-related quality assurance, and no bloodlines to old-school Italian road bikes?

We're lucky in the U.S. that we have Trek, LeMond, Cannondale and Serotta - to name a few - and all American made - plus a whole host of smaller factories building quality steel, aluminum, titanium and carbon fiber frames.

The bicycle frame - race of otherwise - is not under a copyright, though I suspect some materials making the frame are. So I have no problem with a Chinese-made/designed bicycle from that standpoint.

Kach you have a system to be proud of. No pictures of mine but B&W 801s/MacC36/602 and B&W subs. I'm using a fairly old Thorens (TD318) witha Sumiko blue point so I will upgrade that next as I've been buying alot of vinyl (that's why I love the Shanling) and rediscovering my old.

I'd LOVE to get one of these:

http://www.redpoint-audio-design.com/main.html

just for the sheer beauty of the thing...

but will buy something decidedly cheaper, maybe Basis or Clearaudio not sure yet. The redpoint is around $8K w/o arm or cartridge!

I have no worries riding my 15-year-old Pinarello. :)

I've got a little "Italian Trash" streak in me I guess. It was either that or a Maserati.

I'm going to build my own (one day) with hardware from here:
http://www.teresaudio.com/

http://www.teresaudio.com/images/t-255-lg.jpg

Made in USA!

That's stunning. And quite reasonable too. I hadn't considered them but will. That's why I liked Basis so much, small New Hampshire company, reasonable prices.

China is where Japan was 40 years ago. Remember when "made in Japan" was synonomous with poor quality. The problem China has is that they are going to get old really quickly - just like Japan.

In 1978 China implemented the one-child rule. For some stupid reason, many little girls were aborted. Now there are 119 men for every 100 women in China. Their population has a huge demographic disconnect - too many men, not enough children, and no immigration!! Plus they're commies!! And the coastal cities have tasted a little freedom and economic success (the rural inland areas are still poor). You can't unring that bell.

Japan has the same age problem, but not the male/female problem. Back in the 70's and 80's, Japan was going to dominate the world economy for decades to come. Now they're old, they have no immigration and their youth are unwilling to work the 80 hours/week that their mothers and fathers did.

I see China falling into the same trap, except a percentage of their population is going to have to become homosexual as there aren't enough women for all those single-child men.

Good luck China, you're going to need it.

I have a 22-year-old Colnago and a 20-year-old carbon fiber Peugeot, both with Campy Super Record. There's little doubt where any one part of the two bicycles was manufactured.

I thought Maserati was partly made in China. Or was it that a bunch of rich Chinese (rich off American $$$) in China were driving Maseratis?

If the former and not necessarily the ladder, don't worry, Ferraris will soon be made there too. ;)

China has a lot more time to enjoy its reign before it suffers Japan's fate. While I'd be worried about a country with such an enormous military full of men who can't find wives (even if they invaded some neighbors and sold all the women into wife-slavery, it wouldn't make a dent in the problem), they have so many people, that even with one child per family, they will be able to go on and on for a long time. Japan is in huge trouble and the only solution now is to either open the floodgates to immigration or start practicing polygamy. China has more than 10x Japan's population! Oh, and the one child per family policy can be gotten around by paying a fine. THink rich folks aren't doing that?

It is very simple, curb the demand for it and they will not make it. Thing is American brands are manufacturing in China to sell in the US. You do not see too many Chinese brands here.

Chinese engineering and R&D is getting very good and better every day. Take a look at Microsofts R&D center there, it is top notch.

Like it or not, they are going to be a large player, if not the largest in the global economy. Better to engage and learn to work with them than to be ethnocentric to your own demise.

BTW, we make some crappy stuff too...

Trek's website clearly states their frames are made in USA - but my Trek FX had the Made in China sticker-

I removed it...


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I said this in the Chinese car thread...laugh all you want. The game is pretty much over and we've pretty much lost.

Not only that, they don't dick around when somebody screws up:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a8LoFM2DyRbM&refer=asia

Low end Trek frames are made in China. Almost everyone's are.

They're certainly doing that part right. We have to go through 15+ years of appeals and millions of dollars in taxpayer cost just to get a confessed serial killer or axe murderer offed. Then deal with their kin suing the government because it took too long to find a vein.

What, Free Market is only good when it benefits the US? Open Economy, capitalism and expanisism only goes one way? Should we up tariff proetctions? They will beat us with by our own (g)creed. Who here hasnt bought a $19.95 power saw or a $500 PC?

Im sure many of us are old enough to remember Deming, "Jap Crap" and the lessons wrought on the US auto industry, the Swiss watch industry, and the global electronics indusrty to name but a few....

Low end should be. For low-end and recreational riders.

To add: would you truly pay Trek $8,000+ knowing this was made in China?
http://www2.trekbikes.com/images/bik...l69_pewter.jpg
I wouldn't. I'd have a frame built for me before shelling out that kind of money.

I wouldn't buy any Trek (especially multiple thousands for a cf frame), but that's just me. I'd buy a used steel frame made by a small builder. If I were going to spend serious coin (say $5K) it would be Moots.

Where's all that Harbor Freight stuff from???

Yeah, and iPods and iPhones and TVs and stuff.

All crap? Blanket statements are seldom factual.

The recent unfortunate discoveries of ill-produced Chinese products will be the catalyst for positive change, and that's good for everyone in the long run.

Now all we (U.S.) have to do is figure out how to better compete in the world economy.

Sherwood

I had some grille badges made in China for my internet board last year. The quality was absolutely superb and they turned the finished order around in under 7 days INCLUDING shipping back to the UK. The badges are still on the cars no problems. I'm not kidding, they are like jewellery - flawless.

Around the same time, I bought another badge from a different board that was made in the USA. The back snapped off it after a week on the car. Would I say all US-made stuff is low quality? Of course not, but the same goes for China.

I have an '83 Chevy RV and the quality of the chassis 24 years later is incredible - it's like a new unit. I have quite a bit of other US-made stuff too and a lot of it is also pretty good, but the point of origin is no longer a guarantee of quality, high or low.

"I had some grille badges made in China for my internet board last year."

Some of our Porsche grill badges are made in China. Any complaints there?

Sherwood

We do compete. We compete in the realm of ideas, satisfying needs, new technologies.

Sure, China builds it. But do they conjure up the ideas, research and engineering that lead to what they build? No.

The brain trust is here.

Yes I know, but a lot of our consumer dollars are going over there. In that respect, we could do a lot better.

Sherwood

FWIW, I have a BMW factory tank bag for my bike that costs $280-$300 at the dealer. My fiance got some on a Chinese website for around $60 each and we will probably put them in our eBay store for a tody profit. They look factory new and the one I have is made in China too. They are OEM and super quality. Will report back when I have them in hand.

The teardrop bag?