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legion 07-10-2007 01:02 PM

C7 Corvette
 
According to a one-sentence blurb in Automobile Magazine, the next generation Corvette will be mid-engined!?

This delights sports car fans like me, but is sure to piss off the Corvette faithful.

Jim Richards 07-10-2007 01:03 PM

Why would it piss them off? If it's fast, handles well, looks good and isn't too pricey, wouldn't they be happy as can be? :confused:

legion 07-10-2007 01:05 PM

But...but...

The engine is in the wrong place...

"Only durn furn cars have der injuns in back."

Just wait, someone will call it "not a real Corvette".

Christien 07-10-2007 01:06 PM

Slowly but surely the Vette is winning me over. This is a big step in that direction, but Chris I think you're right - it may alienate the gold-chain crowd.

kach22i 07-10-2007 01:08 PM

They should make both a front engine and mid-engine vette. make the mid-engine one called the Aerovette or Corvair III.

JonT 07-10-2007 01:09 PM

Heck in the latest Car and Driver the standard C7 beats the 997TT around VIR--and thats not even the Z06. Nice.

scottmandue 07-10-2007 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Why would it piss them off? If it's fast, handles well, looks good and isn't too pricey, wouldn't they be happy as can be? :confused:
You mean like changing the engine position in a 911? :p

They have been talking about a mid engine Corvette for over a decade... and I think it would be a good thing... but look what happened when Porsche tried to replace the 911 with the 928.

Jims5543 07-10-2007 01:11 PM

It will not be the first time they toyed with a mid engine design in the Vette.

I do not hate the car but the politics in certain racing venues that I was involved in. That is what caused me to only want to do one thing with my RX7, beat Corvettes.

Honestly, if they keep improving this car much more I will no longer be able to do that.

A mid engine vette would get my attention and might win me over.

Jim Richards 07-10-2007 01:15 PM

I don't think Corvette guys get hung up on this stuff. As long as the ponies are there, and you give them better weight distribution, I'm sure they'll be giddy. The 911/928 analogy is different, as the appearance of the car changed completely, it got a lot heavier, and it handled completely different. They were trying to change from a capable sports car to a GT cruiser...kinda like going from a 'vette to a Buick. ;)

dd74 07-10-2007 01:15 PM

Didn't GM already try a mid-engine Corvette with the Fiero?

Jim Richards 07-10-2007 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
Didn't GM already try a mid-engine Corvette with the Fiero?
Huh? Fiero? Oh...you must be thinking Chevette. :p

t951 07-10-2007 01:18 PM

well as an owner of a 2007 C6 Z51 vette and a 1983 911SC Cab I can tell you that the vette is definately faster! ;)

I love the power (mainly the torque) of the Vette, its addicting, but my 911 is so much more fun.

Its more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. The sounds of my flat 6 are awesome. The C6 is very modern, which is nice for AC, but when I am in the 911 I cannot imagine leaving the Porsche family....

Aerkuld 07-10-2007 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
I don't think Corvette guys get hung up on this stuff. As long as the ponies are there, and you give them better weight distribution, I'm sure they'll be giddy...
I'd like to look back on this post about a month before the mid-engined 'vette is due to launch :D

I bet there are Corvette purists who will be up in arms just like the 911 crowd when Porsche changed to a water cooled engine in the 996.
Saying that there weren't many objections when Chevrolet changed the traditional Corvette design to one that went round corners. ;)

the 07-10-2007 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
Didn't GM already try a mid-engine Corvette with the Fiero?
That's whack.

As pointed out above, the Fiero was a mid-engined Chevette.

Jim Richards 07-10-2007 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aerkuld
I'd like to look back on this post about a month before the mid-engined 'vette is due to launch :D

I bet there are Corvette purists who will be up in arms just like the 911 crowd when Porsche changed to a water cooled engine in the 996.
Saying that there weren't many objections when Chevrolet changed the traditional Corvette design to one that went round corners. ;)

I'll stand by my post. :D

strupgolf 07-10-2007 02:36 PM

As a old Corvette owner of many models, I would find a mid engine car to be the next best evolution of the make. Its been in the plans for many years, so why not.

Zef 07-10-2007 02:55 PM

Nice...but still a !"/$%?&* GM....!

HardDrive 07-10-2007 03:06 PM

I just wish they would do something about those horrible interiors. Corvette is a very capable car, but when you get in, you are obviously sitting in a Chevy.

pmajka 07-10-2007 04:26 PM

Now we need a mid engine c7 vette killer. OH, like the Cayman.

...Waiting for other shoe to drop.








Like that will ever happen

legion 07-10-2007 04:28 PM

I always thought it would be fun to fabricate a mid-engined sports car with an SBC.

Looks like Chevy beet me to it...

Jims5543 07-10-2007 04:47 PM

Mid engine V-8...... Hmmmmm.......


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184114859.jpg

DavidI 07-10-2007 05:09 PM

There is a brief write up in WInding Road Magazine and it looks awesome!

the 07-10-2007 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by legion
I always thought it would be fun to fabricate a mid-engined sports car with an SBC.

Looks like Chevy beet me to it...

Lots of others have beat Chevy to it.


http://members.cox.net/stdotjohn/pos...1177882757.jpg

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads...1163482298.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...Picture198.jpg

http://www.v8914.com/Images/Big/Blower-Shield.jpg

dd74 07-10-2007 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the
That's whack.

As pointed out above, the Fiero was a mid-engined Chevette.

Pontiac had plans to twin turbo charge the 2.8 and make a Ferrari eater out of the Fiero. Problem was the car would possibly be faster, and undoubtedly handle better than the Corvette. Chevrolet was against this, of course, as the Corvette was their marque car. Research it. This has been documented in a few car magazines as one of the reasons the Fiero was killed.

the 07-10-2007 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
Pontiac had plans to twin turbo charge the 2.8 and make a Ferrari eater out of the Fiero. Problem was the car would possibly be faster, and undoubtedly handle better than the Corvette. Chevrolet was against this, of course, as the Corvette was their marque car. Research it. This has been documented in a few car magazines as one of the reasons the Fiero was killed.
Yeah, and if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.

Some unfulfilled "plans" does not equal "already tried a mid-engine Corvette."

GM never tried a mid-engine Corvette with the Fiero.

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
Didn't GM already try a mid-engine Corvette with the Fiero?

dd74 07-10-2007 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the
Yeah, and if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.

Some unfulfilled "plans" does not equal "already tried a mid-engine Corvette."

GM never tried a mid-engine Corvette with the Fiero.

Again, do your research. They fulfilled the plans, and the car did serious credibility damage to the Corvette's ability as the top American road car. GM top brass thought "the better" and killed it.

To worsen things (I imagine in your view), a couple aftermarket people came out with turbo kits for the Fiero back in the day, and it produced more horsepower than the stock Corvette engine.

I'm not saying the Fiero is a better car. I'm only saying there has been serious internal competition from other GM's division to potentially knocking the Corvette from its position.

But then, I imagine you don't think the CTS V (a four-door sedan) can pose a competition threat to the Vette on the race track. Well, it has.

tchanson 07-10-2007 07:44 PM

Same song, different millenium...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by scottmandue
They have been talking about a mid engine Corvette for over a decade...
A decade? The General has been periodically floating the same old PR balloon for almost 40 years... Excuse my skepticism.


1968:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184123343.jpg



1970:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184123368.jpg



1971:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184123389.jpg



1973:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184124932.jpg



1976:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184124960.jpg


1990:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184124995.jpg


I'll believe it when I see it, interest level or lack thereof notwithstanding.



Tim

dd74 07-10-2007 07:47 PM

I'm interested. GM's building some good stuff lately. Hell, I've even retracted my dis of Ford and its products. Those Shelby Mustangs are awesome, and the Ford GT, no matter what I've said in the past, is a damn nice piece of engineering.

the 07-10-2007 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
I'm only saying there has been serious internal competition from other GM's division to potentially knocking the Corvette from its position.

All may be true. But the Fiero was never an attempt by GM to build a mid-engined Corvette. Even if they would have built a high performance version of the Fiero that was a fast as a Corvette, it would have been a high performance Fiero, not an attempt to build a mid-engined Corvette. The Fiero had nothing to do with the Corvette, mechanically or otherwise.

It would be like saying the 944 Turbo was an attempt by Porsche to build a front engined 911.

BeyGon 07-10-2007 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by legion
I always thought it would be fun to fabricate a mid-engined sports car with an SBC.

Looks like Chevy beet me to it...

Would a 914 with an all aluminum chevy qualify? Seen those.

Aerkuld 07-10-2007 09:10 PM

I'll take the 1968 model from Tim Hanson's post please - I like!
Then again 1968 was a very good year.

Jims5543 07-11-2007 03:18 AM

The 1973 Model was to have a Rotary Engine in it. One Prototype they made had a 2 rotor engine another had a 4 rotor engine.

Tervuren 07-11-2007 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by the
All may be true. But the Fiero was never an attempt by GM to build a mid-engined Corvette. Even if they would have built a high performance version of the Fiero that was a fast as a Corvette, it would have been a high performance Fiero, not an attempt to build a mid-engined Corvette. The Fiero had nothing to do with the Corvette, mechanically or otherwise.

It would be like saying the 944 Turbo was an attempt by Porsche to build a front engined 911.

Bad analogy there - that was the original mission of the 944 Turbo - the Turbo is not a special version of the 944, the 944 is a cheap version of the Turbo. The Turbo was the original design, but they released the 944 NA first to replace the 924, it would of originally still had t he 924's narrower fenders, but it got those belonging to 944 Turbo's.

The 944 Turbo would of come out sooner, but there where labor strikes delaying production.

URY914 07-11-2007 04:47 AM

I've been waiting to post this...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1184158029.jpg

turbo6bar 07-11-2007 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tervuren
Bad analogy there - that was the original mission of the 944 Turbo - the Turbo is not a special version of the 944, the 944 is a cheap version of the Turbo.
Huh. The 951 is a front engined 911?

sammyg2 07-11-2007 06:28 AM

Zora always wanted to make the corvette a mid engined car from day one. GM brass shot him down every time.

TimothyFarrar 07-11-2007 07:17 AM

Seems like the natural progression to me.

At least they got smart by placing the gearbox in the rear and removing those popup headlights...

kach22i 07-11-2007 07:43 AM

Problem solved, and put a $200,000 price tag on it, and limit production.

http://www.haitianconnection.com/USE...t-1280x960.jpg

Jim Richards 07-11-2007 07:46 AM

That looks kinda cool. But 200G's? Yikes!

kach22i 07-11-2007 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
That looks kinda cool. But 200G's? Yikes!
That's just a number I tagged it with. The $150,000 Ford GT was not going to compete with a Boss or Shelby Mustang so it did not have to sell for $200,000. What's a special top of the line Vette list for these days?

For a base line:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F430
Quote:

The MSRP for a Ferrari F430 is between $168,005 - $227,000 in the United States.
Vette:
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/04/spy-shots-corvette-ss-z07-stingray-caught/
Quote:

Winding Road asserts that the Z07 will be made available in late 2007 as a 2008 model, with a price expected to be in the $100,000 ballpark.
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/cadillac/xlr/index.html#
Quote:

2008 Cadillac XLR Styles
MSRP Price Range: $78,760 - $84,160
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...20121580-E.jpg


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