More attempts to steal your money by your "friends" in government

[Porsche-O-Phile]

As if the red-light cameras weren't bad enough, now they're trying out "red light stop signs". Yep. If you happen to roll through a stop sign instead of making a full and complete stop (even with nobody else around) you're in for another one of those wonderful "guilty until proven guilty" tickets by a third-party, for-profit, government-backed corporation.

I believe the online version doesn't mention this, but the article in the paper did. Forget the name of the company doing this, but I'll dig it up later (too lazy to dig it out of the car right now).

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cameras12jul12,0,3007746.story?coll=la-home-local

[john70t]

All was fine and dandy until bridges and toll roads became privatized......

[sammyg2]

Hey, I got an idea. How about we STOP at stop signs. I know it's a strange concept but seems to me that would take care of it.

[tonypeoni]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Hey, I got an idea. How about we STOP at stop signs. I know it's a strange concept but seems to me that would take care of it.

What are you talking about? Some of us have more important things to consider like clutches and pilot bearings.

[competentone]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Hey, I got an idea. How about we STOP at stop signs. I know it's a strange concept but seems to me that would take care of it.

My thought precisely.

Some people think that road signs (and rules) are just "suggestions." The signs (and rules) are usually in place for very real safety reasons.

My brother's girlfriend was killed by a truck driver who thought a "rolling stop" at a stop sign was "good enough" -- he didn't realize that her approaching car was traveling at a speed where his mirror kept her blocked from his view as he approached the intersection. If he had come to a complete stop, like he was supposed to, a 17-year-old girl's life would not have been snuffed out prematurely.

[MMARSH]

Originally posted by sammyg2
Hey, I got an idea. How about we STOP at stop signs. I know it's a strange concept but seems to me that would take care of it.

I agree. The funny thing is most people driving 40 mph prior to the stop sign and slow to 3 mph feel that they have stopped. when given a ticket, They will swear that they came to a stop and I think they really believe it, but when you watch thier vehicle it's clear that they did not come to a full and complete stop.

Personally, if they are going to use red light cameras, I wish would we just use Video and be done with it. I also wish I had a laser that took a picture or video of the car I get speeding. It gets old getting accused of lying.

[on-ramp]

it's just another tax. they need MORE money

[jorian]

A further erosion of freedom. Why not video/photograph every movement and add the fines of these misdemeanors to our property taxes?

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by jorian
A further erosion of freedom. Why not video/photograph every movement and add the fines of these misdemeanors to our property taxes?

exactly. Why not send everyone on the highway a speeding ticket?

Surely 99.9% of the drivers are breaking the law by going over 55 MPH, right?

[RoninLB]

in some morning rush hr areas around here you get honked if you stop at a red light and stay there waiting for the green while others around you cruise through it.

Unlicensed/uninsured illegals are becoming a bigger problem every year on long Island. They're re-writing drunk driver laws concerning severe injury and deaths because of it.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

That's okay - see, they'll all have false addresses anyway so they won't end up having to pay the fines, since the fines will never make it to them. What's the government going to do? Fail to renew the registrations they don't bother to get either? Of course, this will only mean those oh-so-poor-off, cash-strapped government agencies will have to jack up the fines/taxes on everyone else to cover their costs - of paying for/supporting more social programs for those illegals who are exempt from the fines in the first place.

Lovely society this is coming to, isn't it?

And Wayne nailed it - if you slow to a crawl, check both ways twice before proceeding, what's the problem?

This is (yet another) example of having to dumb-down laws to cater to the lowest common denominator. In this case, the one idiot out of 100,000 that can't "get" the intent that a "STOP" sign means, "this is a potentially dangerous intersection - look both ways before proceeding, stupid".

And frankly if a uniformed officer wants to cite me because I rolled through a stop at 2mph or whatever, fine. I have all the problem in the world with some for-profit corporation (with every incentive in the world to falsify or "tweak" data to pad their profits) being given the authority to do it for them.

What ever happened to police officers simply doing their jobs? We want to pass all these rules/restrictions on society, then pay the price (including officers' salaries) to support the enforcement of them. Seems simple enough a concept.

Once again, it's all about the money. Any safety benefit is incidental and unintended.

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile


That's okay - see, they'll all have false addresses anyway so they won't end up having to pay the fines, since the fines will never make it to them.



What ever happened to police officers simply doing their jobs? .

Phoenix has had 3 PD broadsided at intersections in their cruiser and killed by illegals in the past year according to a Phoenix PD friend. If the illegal can run they beat feet across the boarder never to be seen again.

[jorian]

The thing that an automated program lacks is judgement. The 3 officers that Ron mentions were most likely not killed by a guy slowing to 3 MPH, looking both ways and then carrying on. The automated cop will treat a 3MPH infraction the same as a 30MPH infraction, where a live cop with training and good judgement might let the 3MPH offender slide with a warning.

[RoninLB]

i bought and sprayed "photo-blocker"

and there is a write up in Nat's Motorist Ass newsletter that shows how to order custom license plates that will confuse automated optical character recognition software.

[K9Torro]

Bah ha ha,

Todd