Since they were working from the bottom line I don't see it as a moral or legal issue. If they were working from the top down, then I could understand the debate.

I told my last customer I would put a new windshield in the car as part of the deal. It ended up costing me $20 more than I expected. I didn't hit him up up for the difference. It was included in the deal - just as all taxes and fees were included in the number Dottore was working from.

I am still at a loss on how someone could consider this a morale dilemma??? If your boss directs you to knowingly sent customers scrap parts or you will be without a job - now that is a moral dilemma! This has so many things in that do not add up (yes, I checked earlier on the non-existant luxury tax). The dealership appears to be trying to squeeze you. Just to be safe, check with an attoney to see if the claim is even possible. If there is any fees that have not been paid after the deal, where does the responsibility lay? Certainly not with you.

It doesn't look like it's specifically called a luxury tax, but there is a sliding scale for taxes on motor vehicles:

Less than $55,000 - 7%
$55,000 to less than $56,000 - 8%
$56,000 to less than $57,000 - 9%
$57,000 or more - 10%

Somebody probably hit the wrong key on the calculator and they realized they would have to eat the difference.

Re: Moral dilemma, I don't see no stinking moral dilemma
 

What morals, he is a liberal, he pushes govenment funded programs and he is trying NOT to pay taxes that he owes:eek:

I often disagree with Byron but I have to say that he is 100% right on this one.

I hate to break it to you, but there probably isn't any moral dilema; the government will take the tax from you regardless of what you do with your dealer. You owe the tax in addition to and separate from the sales price, regardless of the deal you negotiated with the dealer. The tax is an add-on, not in any way shape or form part of the dealer's markup. If you don't pay it now they'll take it from your next year's tax refund. If you don't have one of those, they'll put a lien on your property and/or suspend your license.

Excuse me if I don't cry for you. You just bought a $40,000+ Mercedes. You admit you owe the tax but you don't feel like you should pay it because in your subjective opinion you feel like you've paid enough tax. Sorry, dude. The republic has spoken and you owe the tax this democratically elected government imposed on you. If the deal was that we only paid the tax we thought we deserved to pay, there wouldn't be enough money to pay for the roads you drive your fancy Porsches and Mercedes on. There wouldn't be any police to keep gangsters from stealing your shiny new car. Sewer and water for your pleasant middle class home in the suburbs? Nope - those are subsidized by the government (that means taxes) too. How did you get educated? Certainly not with the help of federally subsidized student loans. I hope not at a state university or a private college that pays for its overhead with state and federal research grants.

No one likes paying taxes but they are part of being a citizen in the greatest country the world has ever known. I wrote a check on April 17th that would have comfortably paid for your shiny little toy. I owed the money and I paid it even though I could have told my accountant to cut some corners. You know why I did it? It's not just because audits of self-employed professionals are up several hundred percent. I did it because it is the law and because it is the right thing to do.

Is your integrity so cheap that it can be bought for nine hundred bucks? I hope I never compete in a club race with you where I have to depend on your word that your car meets the class requirements.

Yeah, I have moral outrage on the subject. I don't like insurance cheats, tax cheats, shoplifters, or bank robers. If you don't pay something you owe you are stealing. People who steal are thieves. Are you a thief?

This thread has gotten ridiculous. My understanding is that Dottore bargained for and got and 'out the door' price - end of story... if the price was wrong, the dealer has to eat this cost. Am I missing something here??? If it is legally deemed that he should have paid this money upfront, he should drop the car back to the dealership and demand his money back - as the contract was clearly broken. I once ordered some parts for my Porsche and my invoice had one amount but additional amount had been charged to my credit card. I immediately called the billing company and said I am not paying the unannounced fee and said the parts would be sent back - they marked off this surperflous charge at that point and apologized. Is there a difference? This site is starting to sound like the advice that one would receive on the Ebay Motors discussion board... We may talk a little bit slower here in the south but our integrity and morale is extremely high. I have to say that some of these responses are nonsensical.

It does not matter if you purchased a $2K beater or $85K performance car. This undisclosed, after-the-fact add on is not enforceable. I still defend the position that you need to discuss this with a knowledgeable lawyer (and not take the advice offered my the majority). Am I safe to assume that 'Lotus Land' is in the U.S.???

"Allowed to", I love your pics, but please.

Thanks, I'm on meds, been sick the last few days :(

When I took to course to get state certified to be a car dealer (no I'm not a dealer, but wanted to learn the ins & outs) the tax bit was covered verydetailed and burned into everyones minds and well as the fines that go with cheating:eek:

Hey Byron, no problem here, just keep posting on this site.

Just think of all the homeless liberals that are depending on these tax dollars to survive! You should march back to the dealership and pay double the amount just out of the goodness of your heart! Do not forget to send a donation to Hitlary and Obama at the same time because "you can afford it" so to speak.

Retards make me laugh...

Even if it is scummy.

So when I arrived at the dealers this morning the salesman was waiting for me with the manager. Before I could say anything the manager said, “So sorry about this it’s our mistake, and you need not pay anything else”. With that he handed me a revised Bill of Sale that showed the $900.- tax as having been paid.

I grinned at him and asked, “So you’re still making money on the deal - even without the extra $900.- ?”

He answered, “Yup, just a little bit.”

“And you’d sell me the identical car again at the same price?” I asked

“Sure would”, he replied without hesitating.

“Well then I’ll take another one.” I said.

My old dad drove the car yesterday and loved it, so I decided to get him one for his birthday. So now everyone’s happy. And the Karma is good.

I appreciate the comments you have made - but am endlessly amazed at number of flatulent numbskulls on this board who always have get on their high self-righteous moral horses at every opportunity - no matter how daft they look in the process.

Very well said!!! I was honestly shocked at what the majority were saying... and they were so wrong.

Glad it worked out for you. Since I usually agree with your points on this board, and rarely agree with Joe and Byron, I am sure you do not include me in the number of flatulent numbskulls on this board who always have get on their high self-righteous moral horses at every opportunity - no matter how daft they look in the process.

As they say, reasonable minds can differ.

Well...errr...actually I did.

But I have revised my view after your recent post. :-)

Cheers.

You just bought a brand new $45,000+ vehicle which gets 18mpg and has already depreciated 25% as soon as it left the lot, and now you're hesitant on paying $900 more, which you may or may not legitimately owe?

Having a good relationship with the dealer during the term of warentee service seems more important at this point.

What's puzzling to me Wayne, is that some people didn't simply provide a wide range of "opinions", they took the opportunity to make him out to be some sort of lowlife thug criminal or something. That's what is bad.

This thread has become a trainwreck joke.

That's Mr. Flatulent Numbskull to you, sir!

What is difficult for me to understand is that Dottere came here honestly looking for opinions about his situation. Ironically, what he got in return was a bunch of people randomly and without merit attacking his character. The laughable thing is the apparent ‘brain-trust’ knew not what they were talking about. It is doubtful that Dottere, or any other sensible individuals for that matter, would be soliciting any guidance here – unless, of course, ridiculous feedback is what was being sought. I would suppose that those with self-proclaimed high morals would now be apologizing to Dottere for their hastily mislabeling of him though, not surprisingly, I have yet to see any retractions.