Fred Thompson on Guns and NYC Lawsuit...

[kach22i]

Another one in the wrong forum, someone otta tell Wayne.

[nostatic]

there definitely is a bug in the bbs software

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by nostatic

there definitely is a bug in the bbs software

Might be something else, I was e-mailed an invoice/reciept from an order I already got last month - call it an extra copy. I'm not the only one.

Back to topic, guns in the right hands are cool, in the wrong hands not cool at all.

[SandyI]

Perhaps someone can provide me with a gun statistic I've never been able to find -- How many home invasion/robberies are stopped each year because the homeowner threatens and/or shoots the intruder with his/her legally purchased handgun? Just wondering...

[legion]

This is the key point here, IMO:

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

Federalism, though usually seen as a protection of the states from the federal government, actually grew out of the need to protect states from other states that interfered in free commerce beyond their borders – as New York is doing today. In this case, we need Federalism to protect states from a big bully in New York City.

[skipdup]

Originally Posted by SandyI

Perhaps someone can provide me with a gun statistic I've never been able to find -- How many home invasion/robberies are stopped each year because the homeowner threatens and/or shoots the intruder with his/her legally purchased handgun? Just wondering...

Not an answer... But, IIRC, I saw an ATF or FBI report showing a statistic on how many potential home invasions were stopped by the sound of a shot gun shell being racked into the chamber. I think it went on to discuss how the firearm wasn't seen by potential invaders - just heard. Said the sound was a major deterrent.

Anyone else remember seeing something like this?

- Skip

[SandyI]

Originally Posted by skipdup

Not an answer... But, IIRC, I saw an ATF or FBI report showing a statistic on how many potential home invasions were stopped by the sound of a shot gun shell being racked into the chamber. I think it went on to discuss how the firearm wasn't seen by potential invaders - just heard. Said the sound was a major deterrent.

I'd be interested to see that study, but I'm more interested in handguns. I'm not a gun owner. I don't see the point. But I have friends who own handguns. Family members who own them too. Let's say there are 20,000,000 legally owned handguns in the U.S., how many of them were used to defend a home in 2006?

[lendaddy]

Here's Fred on Federalism. People are going to connect with him.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by SandyI

Perhaps someone can provide me with a gun statistic I've never been able to find -- How many home invasion/robberies are stopped each year because the homeowner threatens and/or shoots the intruder with his/her legally purchased handgun? Just wondering...

You will never see that statistic, how would you track something like that? Sort of like you will never see numbers on how many robberies failed to be thwarted by lack of a homeowner weapon

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by SandyI

I'd be interested to see that study, but I'm more interested in handguns. I'm not a gun owner. I don't see the point. But I have friends who own handguns. Family members who own them too. Let's say there are 20,000,000 legally owned handguns in the U.S., how many of them were used to defend a home in 2006?

There are about 10x that number of guns in private hands in the US, but your question is impossible to answer. Guns don't just prevent crime when used in face to face confrontations. Criminals avoid areas where they know they are likely to face armed resistance. I mean, criminals are usually pretty dumb. But they always choose unarmed over armed victims. Look at Wash. DC - total gun ban since 1977 and an insane gun crime rate. Then right across the bridges in VA where most folks can, and many do, not just own, but carry guns, there is not even close to the gun crime problem that exists in DC. Oh, and Wash. DC has the highest ratio of law enforcement folks to citizens in the US. Still, they can't make a dent in the ridiculous crime here. Armed citizens deter far more crime than cops do. How often have you heard of a cop getting to a crime scene in time to protect the victim? They come later to clean up the mess and take the report. I'd rather have a gun in my hand than a cop on the phone.

[tabs]

AWE...and I was gona vote for Hillary!

[berettafan]

hot damn i love this guy!

[MRM]

If you like Fred you'll love McCain. The only difference is McCain's voting record is slightly more conservative. And McCain is more of a hawk in tamping down the violence in Iraq.

[RoninLB]

"They hate us for our freedom" - Epiphany


"The 10th Amendment has been eroded by Congress, the Executive, and the Judiciary [even the Supreme Court]. It's purpose is to foster federalism so a central gov't has to answer to the states in any matter not granted them by the Constitution."








U.S. Constitution - Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally Posted by SandyI

Perhaps someone can provide me with a gun statistic I've never been able to find -- How many home invasion/robberies are stopped each year because the homeowner threatens and/or shoots the intruder with his/her legally purchased handgun? Just wondering...

We live in the safest town in Nord Tejas - over 95% homeowners own more than 1 weapon. Someone would have to be really nuts to try anything here. I think I would be easier and safer to jack someone in Dallas proper than to mess up out here. Just say'n...

[Jim Bremner]

I can tell you that my guns did not protect my house in 2006




but it did protect my rv and family in 2005

[red-beard]

Gun don't protect a house, people with guns willing to use them protect a house, when you are home.

[the]

McCain = Bush's b!tch = unelectable.

[Joeaksa]

Unfortunately, New York is trying, again, to force its ways on the rest of us, this time through the courts. First, they went after U.S. gun manufacturers, seeking through a lawsuit not only money but injunctive control over the entire industry. An act of congress in 2005 blocked, but did not end, that effort.

Where in the world does any state get off thinking that it has the right to force that states ways on any other concern?

Agree with Fred on this, and many other subjects. The more we find out about him, the better he sounds.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

I didn't know you guys were so soft on crime.

The key point here is that Georgia gun dealers are illegally selling weapons. Are you for that? By your logic, the Seabrook Nuclear Plant in NH could take a big steaming load of spent uranium and dump it off in a Walmart parking lot in Dallas with a note, "Thanks for holding this for us." pinned to the barrels. Or maybe CA could round up a few hundred thousand illegal aliens and bus them into Indiana? You'd be OK with that, right?

Or maybe your stance on this topic would be a little different if illegally sold guns from Georgia Pawn Shops were ending up in your neighborhood? The lie is told so poetically, how could you not fall for it? Fred's writing staff is good, but what would you expect from Hollywood. Those folksy first few sentences really draw you in and set the mood, don't they? Jesus Christ, the only thing missing was good lighting and some background music. Wonder who Fred's gaffer is?



Judge: NYC can sue Georgia gun sellers

By Bill Rankin, Rhonda Cook
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/16/07

A federal judge on Wednesday kept alive a lawsuit accusing Georgia gun dealers of illegally selling firearms that end up being used in crimes in New York City.

In a 99-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Jack Weinstein in Brooklyn said he found ample evidence the gun dealers "have been responsible for the funneling into New York of large quantities of handguns used by local criminals to terrorize significant portions of the city's population."

The judge rejected motions filed by a number of gun shops, including Adventure Outdoors in Smyrna, that sought to dismiss the lawsuit filed by the city of New York. Adventure Outdoors and other gun stores in Ohio, Virginia and South Carolina argued they couldn't be sued in federal court in New York.

In a statement, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg applauded the ruling.

"Today's decision affirms that New York's courts do indeed have jurisdiction to hear a lawsuit against out of state gun dealers whose guns most often end up in the hands of criminals," Bloomberg said. "And it shows that cities can hold those who cause harm to innocent people and the police who protect us accountable."

Eric Wallace of Adventure Outdoors referred questions about the ruling to the company's lawyers. They could not be reached for comment.

The city of New York filed its lawsuit in May 2006 against numerous gun dealers, including five in Georgia.

Three of the Georgia gun shops —- Welsh Pawn Shop in Savannah, AAA Gun & Pawn Brokers in Hephzibah and A-1 Jewelry & Pawn in Augusta —- have reached settlement agreements, according to court records.

A special master, assigned by the court, is monitoring their gun sales and business practices. Another Georgia dealer, the Gun Store in Doraville, did not join in the motions to dismiss the case and remains a defendant in the lawsuit.

Two months after the city of New York filed the lawsuit, Adventure Outdoors filed a $400 million libel suit against the city and Bloomberg. That case is pending in federal court in Atlanta.

In his ruling, Weinstein noted that between 1995 and 2005 there were at least eight federal prosecutions for illegal purchases in which Adventure Outdoors was the source of the guns. He also cited five crimes committed in the city between 1996 and 2001 involving guns purchased at Adventure Outdoors. Weinstein set a Jan. 7 trial date.

The judge said New York has a strong interest in the safety of its residents from handgun violence.

"The activities which the defendants are alleged to be involved in are illegal and against the public interest in all states," the judge wrote.