Any you thought NSA wiretapping was bad...Read this.
 

Well with everyone complaining about the NSA wiretaps a few months back, I feel kind of obligated to share this. Isn't it great how as citizens, we can't do **** about it?

PPOT Brain Trust..are we getting less and less Free, or am I just paranoid?

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/08/wiretap

Not to worry, I'm sure some of the usual Hitler Youth will be along shortly to tell us how "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".

Great motto for a "free"country, isn't it?

First merchandise gets implanted RFID's, then farm animals, then convicts, then all newborns.

Exploding collars are now available in an assortment of styles. Look for the sleek new Air-Nikes at Christmas time, avaolable at all local retailers.

No, I didn't think the wiretapping was bad. Yes, you are paranoid.
Sounds like Porsche-o-phile thinks free means being able to do illegal stuff and not get caught. it doesn't. You wanna do the name calling thing, I ask what are you doing that you don't want them to know about?

There are lots of countries on this planet. Feel free to pick a better one ito live in if you think you can.

Not shocking. It sounds as if the actual wiretaps still require a court order, fortunately.

Not under the Domestic Terrorism Act. That title can be viewed several ways.

germany circa 1932= USA 2007

Safety and liberty are not compatible ideologies, and personal freedom is an antiquated concept that is no longer relevant in a modern world. Who are you to complain about a loss of personal liberty when the result is the safety and security of our country, our citizens, and our future?





(j/k. Power to the people!)

Just to add, ALL email goes through their intercept computers before it reaches it's destination.

Just throw together a slang email like " that ***** was the BOMB, man what a KILLer bod, and BADass BUSH" and someone will be knocking at your door...

If all my email goes through their system, they should do something to stop all these damn advertisements for penis power pills.

.....and now my phallus is indeed more than federal.

Awesome.:D Why don't I get the good enlargement ads?

shhhhh........big brothers is reading these messages!

With all those secret funds they've gotten, at least they could buy faster computers. The Pelican site is now as slow as sludge.

Did you make that up all by yourself?

What? Staged attack, followed by a power coup suspending all checks-and-balances, and unlimited corporate cronyizm funding, and a dissenting group to harass.

Nope, not anywhere close.

As far as our current society is concerned, ask yourself this question:

What is the difference between ignorance and apathy?

I don't know and I don't care.

Carnivore - now replaced with commercial software: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(FBI)


Really what they are doing in watching everything: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6154457.html

"Safety and liberty are not compatible ideologies, and personal freedom is an antiquated concept that is no longer relevant in a modern world. Who are you to complain about a loss of personal liberty when the result is the safety and security of our country, our citizens, and our future?"

WOW I can't believe I read this coming from an American. In my opinion this is far more dangerous thinking than fighting for your rights & freedom.

Bob... I think you overlooked the last line of my post.
Personally, I think our government has been too far over the line for far too long.

You are an idiot. Did Elvis tell you that? Please, leave your unsubstantiated conspiracy theories on your nutball websites.:rolleyes:

How far is too far? How far along do we let things get before we stand up? Illegal imigration as an example we took too long to stand up on that issue and look where we are with that situation..... How far do we let things go.......

It's already gone too far, but how do you propose to stop it? I mean..really...not like calling up the director of the FBI, or calling up Bush and talking it out over a game of Golf is likely to work.

1. Irrational thought would be viewing an entire senario on some form of extreme preconception and/or rationalization process.
2 Rational thought would be considering all possiblities, and including some elements of each in making a temporary judgement based upon known information.

Bush had close ties with and smuggled the "terrorists" associates and family out of the country, left the escape route open to Pakistan, and much evidence suggests the WTC buildings fell in a manner very similar to the demolition process.
The results and strategy behind those actions(for better or worse) are an entirely different thread, but which catagory do you feel best discribes your views?

Funny pictures, but the current trend in the degradation of democractic values is very real, and not so funny.

With anything, you're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

The human mind is an amazing thing. It is capable of creating incredible ideas and concepts through imagination. Unfortunately it often has trouble differentiating what is imagined and what it real.

So, you think bush is the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. It makes me shudder that there are people walking around that are capable of believing such nonsense.
I can't help but wonder what makes you reach out and embrace such a concept. What deep seated need do you have, what psychosis drives you to such a thing? Maybe it was the experiments the aliens conducted when they abducted you.

Our government's first priority is to protect it's citizens from threats foreign and domestic. Law abiding citizens deserve that protection.
People in this country who do not follow the laws, who do not live by the law are a threat to those who do and deserve to be caught and punished. Sorry if that makes you nervous. Maybe you should check to make sure you are on the right side since the law abiding citizens are nowhere near as worried as the criminals. They don't really have a problem with surveillance, they just don't want to get caught.

Sort of painting with a pretty broad brush there, yes? If I read the last sentences of your post correctly, Sammy, then anyone who is worried about rampant, unchecked, unauthorized surveillance of Americans must be a criminal?

Not too sure I can agree with you on that one.

Considering the actions of the current government, my point has been made, thanks.

Sammy

You repeat that mantra often. If you have done nothing wrong/are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

You are so naive.

I once had an encounter with the law where I was accussed of doing something that I did not do.

Small town private police force with a reputation for generating revenue through questionable tactics.

My attorney, a HS friend of mine, worked as an ADA for that township and readily admitted that many cases similar to mine that he had prosecuted were probably manufactured.

As he put it, "they fill the paperwork out in advance and fill in names later"

At the end of the day it was my word against the cops and since there were no other witnesses I was going to lose.

Copping a plea was really my only alternative.

I had to admit guilt to something that I was not guilty of to avoid spending a week in jail.

If you don't think that abuse of power exists or happens every day then you are living a fantasy.