National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

[kach22i]

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive
http://carnuts.us/viewtopic.php?p=18785#18785
Yes another problem solved. Kind of makes one proud of being American.

On May 4, 2007, President George W. Bush signed an executive order that could ensure that he won't have to relinquish office is 2009. Or he could just deliver a dictatorship in the hands of a future chief executive.
The official name of this charming order is the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (specifically, NSPD-51/HSPD-20), NSPD-51 didn't receive any coverage in the mainstream media--in fact, it was only discovered when the unclassified portion was posted on the White House Web site on May 9, with no further announcement or press briefing.
According to NSPD-51, in the event of a (loosely defined)" catastrophic emergency," the president can literally take over all government functions and direct all private-sector activities to ensure that the US emerges with an "enduring constitutional government." How the government is supposed to remain constitutional in the face of the de facto dictatorship and abridgement of the separation of powers that NSPD-51 would deliver isn't addressed in the language of the directive "Catastrophic emergency" is defined as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the US population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
Even more frightening, there is no requirement that the president submit to Congress a declaration that such a state of catastrophic emergency even exists: NSPD-51 can be implemented without Congressional approval. Of course, since Congress would also be directed by the president, why should they be bothered to approve his right to rule?
NSPD-51 apparently supersedes the National Emergencies Act, a US federal law passed in 1976, which actually charges Congress with oversight of presidential emergency powers.
Conspiracy theorists who have speculated that the Bush administration won't be giving up the reins of power so easily come Jan. 20, 2009, argue that NSPD-51 could set the stage for the cancellation of the '08 presidential election, or serve to justify a suspension of the transfer of office from Bush to the new president-elect. For all those people counting down the days and hours to Bush's exit, that would be a major disappointment, to say the least. Until then, we'll all just have to hold our collective breath in the hope that no such "catastrophic emergency" comes to pass.--Mark Miller

If you can get past the length and legalese here is the document in its own context. Just google the following. Click on the sources if you want to.

nspd-51/hspd-20

See what you think. Read definitions part.

EDIT:
The document as posted by the Whitehouse.........................
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;...........................

(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.

[sammyg2]

Ahhhh, run for your lives!

Lesse if I got this right, you would rather see total and complete chaos rather than have some sort of government leadership whe the ***** hits the fan? Don't you think you are over-reacting just a tad?

[Mo_Gearhead]

***Yawn***
Oh, sorry ...was I supposed to be shocked that our Government would pass another law/act/directive that would give THEM MORE power with LESS oversight?

How many benefits (pay raises, retirement packages, health care, misc. perks, etc.) have Senators, Congressmen voted for themselves and which do NOT apply to the U.S. citizens they supposedly represent???

(Keep your powder dry).

[NICKG]

germany 1932=usa 2007

[Superman]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Ahhhh, run for your lives!

Lesse if I got this right, you would rather see total and complete chaos rather than have some sort of government leadership whe the ***** hits the fan? Don't you think you are over-reacting just a tad?

Sammy, you're the PERFECT Republican voter.

[Rearden]

What are you crazy lefties going to do with your time when Bush leaves the White House? No more copying and pasting of these sky-is-falling apocalyptic chain letters.

[svandamme]

i don't get it , i read the doc but all i see is babbling about chain of command, and maintaining that chain of command during any sort of mishap

it doesn't really mention skipping any elections, or extending any term of the president at the time of a mishap?

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Superman

Sammy, you're the PERFECT Republican voter.

Did you read the links? I did and found nothing. I am the perfect Libertarian in that I read before I type.

a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;

20) This directive shall be implemented in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. 19), with consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved. Heads of executive departments and agencies shall ensure that appropriate support is available to the Vice President and others involved as necessary to be prepared at all times to implement those provisions.

Sup, I am sure you have written COOPs in your organization.

[onewhippedpuppy]

(20) This directive shall be implemented in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. 19), with consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved. Heads of executive departments and agencies shall ensure that appropriate support is available to the Vice President and others involved as necessary to be prepared at all times to implement those provisions.

Seems ok.

(22) Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

Bill passed something similar just before he left.

(11) Continuity requirements for the Executive Office of the President (EOP) and executive departments and agencies shall include the following:

(a) The continuation of the performance of PMEFs during any emergency must be for a period up to 30 days or until normal operations can be resumed, and the capability to be fully operational at alternate sites as soon as possible after the occurrence of an emergency, but not later than 12 hours after COOP activation;

(b) Succession orders and pre-planned devolution of authorities that ensure the emergency delegation of authority must be planned and documented in advance in accordance with applicable law

Is this the "scary" part?


Alright, somebody show me where this appoints GW as our supreme dictator and leader.

[tabs]

OHHH Doesn't Abe Lincoln look like the Saint now? In the midst of a great Civil War he held a Presidential Election, one in which he fully expected to lose. If Lincoln had lost the election of 1864, McClellan would have been President and he would have sued for peace with the CSA. Therefore everything that Lincoln stood for and the sacrafice of of 100,000s of lives would have be for nought.

[dhoward]

Lincoln was a scoundrel.
The South shall rise again.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Pat? Is that you?!

[kach22i]

(22) Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

What was so bad about Directive 67 that it had to be rewritten and revoked?

How do the two documents compare?

[svandamme]

that don't mean jack squat
Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 was a similar doc as the one in this thread, it was just filed by Bill

this is just change management saying that the old doc is obsolete, and now this one is the one that counts

here's a brief explanation of PDD-NSC-67, which according to this explanation has never been released to the public, for all you know, that one had even more dangerous text in it then you think this one poses

even PDD-NSC-67 lists a number of older docs it supercedes, coincidently those it supercedes were by Bush Senior
sorry kach, i've never been labelled neocon, usually been called lefty liberal hippie scum and names like it and even i really don't see what the big deal is with the new doc...

it's just the president outlining the chain of command, in case something happens he can point everybody to that document, and then everybody can figure out which one of Bush'es henchmen is responsible for what, and answers to who...it does not overrule the constitution

[deathpunk dan]

Originally Posted by dhoward

The South shall rise again.

Now is not the time for jokes.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by svandamme

it's just the president outlining the chain of command, in case something happens

Yes, and in this document its the President, and the President alone which decides (an emergency) and not Congress and in previous documents. The President can declare martial law and suspend the constitution at will just like a dictator.

This is very similar to Rumsfeld inserting himself into the chain of command for NORAD, and then informing NORAD that Cheney is in control of them. I'll have to read the VP duties in this document, that guy is a snake and not just a fool.

[svandamme]

well, Bill did just the same thing

here's that link i forgot in my previous post

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd/pdd-67.htm

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by svandamme

well, Bill did just the same thing

here's that link i forgot in my previous post

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd/pdd-67.htm

Thanks for the link, looks like Clinton depended on FEMA, first thing Bush did was dismantle FEMA.

Yes I know a FEMA person, it's true. Part of the reason it has performed so poorly lately.

[svandamme]

doesn't matter what organization he puts in the chain, more important is who he puts on top of the organisation ...which is beyond the scope of this document

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by svandamme

doesn't matter what organization he puts in the chain, more important is who he puts on top of the organisation ...which is beyond the scope of this document

Well, it will not be the head of FEMA, it's a new person to be selected by the President (see document) to oversee the head of Homeland Security which already has it's own head. This two headed monster is lead by.................my guess is that person will be the current VP Dick Cheney.