1100 vs. 1187

legion · 09-04-2007, 11:22 AM

What is the difference between a Remington 1100 and 1187? I can't find anything useful on the Remington website...

And the "get a Browning" or "get a Beretta" will probably get ignored. This will be for my wife for occasional trap duty. I will probably put a limbsaver pad on it with some hi-viz sights (she likes them).

Mule · 09-04-2007, 11:35 AM

1100 appears to be more up-scale.

berettafan · 09-04-2007, 12:32 PM

ignore away legion but i'm telling you for fact Remingtons are not called 'jamamatics' for nothing.

the 11-87 is simply a newer model of the 1100. same lousy gas system. the ONLY positive thing to be said about 1100's and 11-87's is they are heavy and thus reduce recoil.

that being said you can have a far more reliable gun by going Beretta. i would also suggest shooting slowish 1oz loads to help with recoil. you'd be surprised just how big a difference 1/8oz in payload makes in recoil. particularly in trap.

there is no more reliable semi-auto shotgun in the world, save for Benelli (this is arguable and benelli's recoil system is an ass kicker, regardless of what they may claim).

i own two Remingtons (1100, 870 Wingmaster), several Berettas, one Benelli and HAVE owned other Berettas, Benellis and Brownings. the Beretta semi autos are smooth shooting, reliable as heck and rarely need cleaning. at least try one before you buy!

azasadny · azasadny's Garage

I bought a used Remington 1187 about 11 years ago and used it for several season to hunt duck, geese and pheasant and never had a problem with it, very reliable and easy to shoot/clean. Nice "budget shotgun" for people like me who don't want to spend $1000 or more on a shotgun.

many944s · 09-04-2007, 06:05 PM

^+1

Reliability on these seem to be some what of a toss up.
I used to have an 1187 that cycled perfectly every time, but on the other hand my cousin had the exact same model that seemed to give her problems every time she used it!?!?

I would approach it as a "buyer beware"

-Nick

rouxroux · 09-04-2007, 06:17 PM

How about an AA-12 (nice cyclic rate..."here pigeon, pigeon").

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/299432/aa12_demo/

legion · 09-04-2007, 07:04 PM

And Nick, I will send you your lug nut back. I ordered a full set from Pelican and need to find an evening to do the swap.

mattdavis11 · 09-04-2007, 07:31 PM

I'd say go for it, no problems here. Just decide what barrel length (maybe a vent rib), finish, and get the chokes you want. I like the 870 magnum better though, so do the people that borrow mine that have an 1100/87.

However, since this is for your wife, and ladies like nice things, and most likely deserve them, go with a Belgium Browning.

legion · 09-04-2007, 07:47 PM

I've already got three sets of chokes: RemChoke, TruChoke, and Spartan Chokes...

It'd be nice if two of my shotguns could share...

berettafan · 05:55 AM

btw don't buy a trap model (regardless of brand) as the gun won't be useful in any other games (skeet, sporting clays, birds).

check out gunbroker.com and the like for used firearms. 391's have slimmer stocks than 390's and may be a better fit for a lady.

also some brands are available in a 'youth' model which essentially means a shorter stock. unfortunately it also typically means a shorter bbl as well. 26" or 28" would be the length you're looking for.

charleskieffner · 09-05-2007, 06:08 AM

shot many many many snotguns in my youth and as an adult. LOTS OF DOVE QUAIL HERE IN AZ!

870=reliable club.
1100= ok club
1187=ok club

HK/BENELLI -----------WORLDS FASTEST SHOTGUN! 3rds in 5 seconds!

need i say more?????

21" vent rib with pistol grip,turkey front site,9-rd tube, and of course legal beagle HK tube rod to only allow 3rds for non covert ops. ultimate dezert quail and dove gun.

also have all chokes fer anythang else that may piss me off!

best -most fun,fastest,lightest,and it damn near cleans itself SNOTGUN I HAVE OWNED OR SHOT!

choice #2..........belgium made semi-auto brownings 28"vent ribs.

rouxroux · 09-05-2007, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charleskieffner

HK/BENELLI -----------WORLDS FASTEST SHOTGUN! 3rds in 5 seconds!

need i say more?????

I guess you did not watch the clip on the AA12 in my previous post.

charleskieffner · 09-05-2007, 08:53 AM

i'll will now refine my previous errant statement.

HK/BENELLI.........."the worlds fastest LEGAL snotgun!"

wow that was impressive!

vash · vash's Garage

my family has alot of 1100's. i think they are very "vanilla", but fantastic. i used the butt of mine to pull myself up a muddy bank once. i dont use mine much, i gave up duck hunting. i found the thing very reliable.

the thing is a honda accord, reliable but boring.

legion · 09-05-2007, 09:57 AM

I have no problem getting my wife a Benelli or Beretta, but I'd like to make sure she has a level of interest to justify the cost first. I've subjected myself to the same rule, as all three of my shotguns, together, add up to about $800.

charleskieffner · 09-05-2007, 10:17 AM

let me splain it this way............

try shooting a 870/1100/1187 with a 3"magnum OO BUCK round and call me and yer doctor and tell us how it feels. yer doc may care...........i wont!

then try shooting same round out of HK/BENELLI semi-auto, one handed(if pistol gripped which i do recommend) and tell me the difference.

dont shoot either (3) remingtons or anyone elses shotgun single handed or i will laugh. please record on youtube for my pleasure!

the best shotgun/the fastest/the lightest/and the least recoil.

now cost difference..............kind of like remington being a yugo and HK being a porsche.

FOG · 09-05-2007, 10:42 AM

Legion,

You need to consider the length of pull w/ the pad, especially as it’s for your wife. Talk to a knowledgeable gunsmith who can do a little fitting. The Bs cannot be shortened as much as the 1100 nor nearly as short at the 870 on the butt.

Personally never had a problem with a Remington that wasn’t maint (lack of) related. Minimum of maint. and my 1100 has always worked. So have my Benellis. I have seen more function issues w/Beretta A 302s.

If you are thinking of stepping up to an o/u then the only word is even semi-reasonable price range is Beretta in almost all categories (only exception is use of reloads).

S/F, FOG

berettafan · 09-05-2007, 12:52 PM

chs he does NOT want a super light shotgun for his wife. more energy transferred to the shoulder (and quicker at that).

buying used in any brand (with the possible exception of Fabarm) will help you get your $$ back if the wife doesn't take to it.

cutting the stock on ANY gun will cost you $$ on resale. if your wife has short arms i suggest going straight to a youth gun (try the fit out first though!). parallel target models allow for more lop adjustment than std.

legion · 09-05-2007, 12:59 PM

My wife actually fired an 1100 and liked it...this is where that started.

Getting a Browning, Beretta, or Benelli out to the range to try out would be difficult, unless someone happens to sell one to the range. There are far more Mossbergs and Remingtons floating around the shop there...

FOG · 09-05-2007, 01:11 PM

berettafan,

Not fitting the shotgun as needed is a waste of money. The difference of ¼” in LOP, slight changes in cast, etc. are dramatic though the changes are subtle. Why do you think Beretta themselves actively encourages people to go the factory to have the 680 series fitted then shipped to the U.S.? A youth model may not fit any better.

I believe Legion’s objective is to make this an enjoyable activity for his wife. Trying to save insignificant amounts of money (relative to the cost of participation) on a possible resale just doesn’t make sense.

Legion,

If you hang out at the range most shooters will let people try their firearms if you ask them how they like it and indicate that you are in the market for a bride’s shotgun.

S/F, FOG