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onewhippedpuppy 09-11-2007 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3473407)
A brick of what?

Weed.:cool:

island911 09-11-2007 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead (Post 3473294)
We first have to know if the two bricks are identical.

. .and then we need to know where the second brick is. (the moon?)

Mule 09-11-2007 01:06 PM

1.5 lbs +.75 brick

Mule 09-11-2007 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 3473414)
Weed.:cool:

Damn, you must be old like me to remember that.:eek:

djmcmath 09-11-2007 03:23 PM

Why don't we just put the brick on a scale?

Seriously, the people who come up with stupid problems like this must think that the world exists simply to perform meaningless math. What about useful questions like "What kind of mileage is my car getting?" Or "Based solely on cost per oz, which jar of peanut butter should I buy?" Perhaps more useful at the college level, "Which pizza size provides the most food for the dollar?"

Aargh. This is why people don't use math -- because the s*** we teach in school has so little practical value.

masraum 09-11-2007 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djmcmath (Post 3473872)
Why don't we just put the brick on a scale?

Seriously, the people who come up with stupid problems like this must think that the world exists simply to perform meaningless math. What about useful questions like "What kind of mileage is my car getting?" Or "Based solely on cost per oz, which jar of peanut butter should I buy?" Perhaps more useful at the college level, "Which pizza size provides the most food for the dollar?"

Aargh. This is why people don't use math -- because the s*** we teach in school has so little practical value.

No, it's because the general public doesn't think it's important, and doesn't put any importance on their offspring learning it. If our society on the whole stressed the importance of education and school...

I've learned plenty of math that's useful. I built a circular planter in my back yard. My wife wanted a minimum amount of sqft per so many different plants, and wanted a concentric circle in the middle of the outer circle, so I had to figure out the radius to make each circle to ensure that we had enough space for what she wanted to plant.

I can do math to figure out the camber or toe of my tires based on triangles.

I went to primarily public schools (except for the 5th grade through half of the 8th grade). I did go to some Dept of Def schools when my dad was stationed over seas. The key is that my parents stressed learning to me more than sports and drinking and fitting in and being cool which is what most kids think is important.

Fortunately, there are lots and lots of jobs out there that the average joe is suited for regardless of his/her level of education, so we need lots of those folks to fill those jobs. (not that everyone in an average job is average either, just speaking generally. There are average folks almost everyplace, and there are exceptional folks absolutely every where.)

on-ramp 09-11-2007 04:11 PM

you guys have bricks for brains, wasting your time on this stupid question... first of all, the question can be interpreted several different ways and/or it doesn't make any sense.

I can't even believe I'm posting here..

djmcmath 09-11-2007 04:13 PM

Now those are useful problems. How many stones do you need to make the circular planter the right size for 3 different kinds of plants that each require different amounts of dirt? That's useful. So's trig -- I find I use trig in more home and auto projects than almost anything else.

My point is that there's a lot of useful math out there -- way too much good material to waste time doing junk like "A brick weighs 1lb plus half a brick..." The same argument goes for reading -- why do we read "Tess of the Durbevilles," (answer: because it has historical significance in terms of the history of the novel, blech) which is dry enough to turn off even the most avid reader? There's so much good material out there, but we waste our time on awful boring stuff. (Disclaimer: I love reading -- despite years in public schools, I still read every day, for pleasure.)

I won't under-stress the importance of good parenting in the education process, though. If parents are lackadaisical, I don't believe the best school can fix the problem. But what do I know -- I don't have any kids, and I've only been one once. :)

DARISC 09-11-2007 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by djmcmath (Post 3473872)
Why don't we just put the brick on a scale?

Innovative, but evasive (answers a question with a question).

Seriously, the people who come up with stupid problems like this must think that the world exists simply to perform meaningless math.

Seriously?

What about useful questions like "What kind of mileage is my car getting?" Or "Based solely on cost per oz, which jar of peanut butter should I buy?" Perhaps more useful at the college level, "Which pizza size provides the most food for the dollar?"

Those are perfectly fine questions of varying degrees of dificulty, often asked.

Aargh. This is why people don't use math -- because the s*** we teach in school has so little practical value.

Why "some" people don't use math. This is due to lack of interest, skill, time, etc.


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Originally Posted by on-ramp (Post 3473959)
you guys have bricks for brains, wasting your time on this stupid question... first of all, the question can be interpreted several different ways

Name one.

and/or it doesn't make any sense.

Sure it does. And it's basic math to boot.

I can't even believe I'm posting here..

Give it a bit of thought and say why you did?

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Originally Posted by djmcmath (Post 3473961)
Now those are useful problems. How many stones do you need to make the circular planter the right size for 3 different kinds of plants that each require different amounts of dirt? That's useful. So's trig -- I find I use trig in more home and auto projects than almost anything else.

My point is that there's a lot of useful math out there

Math is math. Whether it's useful or not depends on the application the user puts it to.

-- way too much good material to waste time doing junk like "A brick weighs 1lb plus half a brick..."

This question is typical of innumerable math test questions asked in schools in general. Not really a waste, just a little test of one's reasoning ability.

The same argument goes for reading --

I read your condemnation and opinion. What arguement?

why do we read "Tess of the D'urbevilles," (answer: because it has historical significance in terms of the history of the novel, blech)

Hey, great novel! Damn good movie too! "Blech" is a critical word term I'm not familiar with - Not that there's anything wrong with that!:)

which is dry enough to turn off even the most avid reader?

Nah. Why I'll bet there's a whole lot of avid readers out there who disagree.

There's so much good material out there, but we waste our time on awful boring stuff.

You persist with the "we". Hey, one man's boring stuff is another man's entertaining stuff, no?

(Disclaimer: I love reading -- despite years in public schools, I still read every day, for pleasure.)

I won't under-stress the importance of good parenting in the education process, though.

Well put.

If parents are lackadaisical, I don't believe the best school can fix the problem.

I wholeheartedly agree in general, but in this case, what's the problem?

But what do I know --

I empathise - I'm often frustrated myself.

I don't have any kids, and I've only been one once. :)

No kids here either. Still partly one myself. I read OT for a balance of entertainment and education (not a 50/50 balance in my opinion).

Why the anger?

trekkor 09-11-2007 08:45 PM

Is the answer 2.25 #'s or 36oz's?

1=16 and 1/2=8 or 24 oz's x 1.5 = 36oz's /16oz = 2.25 pounds per brick.


KT

kstar 09-11-2007 10:10 PM

Play with this brick:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/games/bloxorz

I posted it in a new thread too. One of the better games I have played in a while, FWIW.

Best,

Kurt

DARISC 09-11-2007 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 3474404)
Is the answer 2.25 #'s or 36oz's?

1=16 and 1/2=8 or 24 oz's x 1.5 = 36oz's /16oz = 2.25 pounds per brick.


KT

3 lbs is the answer. 1 brick weighs 2 lbs.

If you have 1/2 of a brick and a 1 lb weight and the combined weight of the two is equal to the weight of 1 whole brick, it's self evident that one brick weighs 2 lbs.

DARISC 09-11-2007 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3474508)
Sounds like an SAT question designed more to trick the reader, than to test actual skills.

-Wayne

Sure does, but surprisingly it frustrates a lot of people even when asked what 1 brick weighs to simplify the problem.

I got this from one of the engineers where I worked who passed it around to the other engineers and it drove all but a couple of them nuts for a while - even when asked what 1 brick weighs!

Lotta frustration and arm waving, then a lotta laughs when it became obvious how simple it is:)

trekkor 09-12-2007 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 3473258)
If a brick weighs 1 lb. + 1/2 brick, how much does 1 1/2 bricks weigh?

The more I read it the more it seems the information is incomplete.

A brick could weigh anything. The only real data is this one pound that is added.


The only answer I see as TRUE is: ( unknown weight ) of brick plus 1.5 pounds.

x + 1.5 pounds


KT

trekkor 09-12-2007 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 3473258)
If a brick weighs 1 lb. + 1/2 brick, how much does 1 1/2 bricks weigh?


Looking even more closely at the original question adds to the confusion.

Quote:

how much does 1 1/2 bricks weigh?
Shouldn't it read: how much does 1 AND 1/2 bricks weigh?

Or even: how much does 1 1/2 bricks weigh? ( One half brick?)

It could mean either 1 and a half combined or just one half by itself, depending on how one interprets the poorly worded/punctuated sentence.

produce your formula to solve the problem, if you don't mind.


KT

scottmandue 09-12-2007 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by djmcmath (Post 3473872)
"Which pizza size provides the most food for the dollar?"

But what is the value of said pizza if it is of such low quality as to make it uneatable?

Aerkuld 09-12-2007 09:23 AM

x = 1 + x/2

multiply both sides by 2

2x = 2 + x

subtract x from both sides

2x - x = 2

2x - x = x therefore x = 2

1.5 multiplied by 2 lbs = 3 lbs

Aerkuld 09-12-2007 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 3475075)
But what is the value of said pizza if it is of such low quality as to make it uneatable?

Come on. We're talking college students here and everyone knows that when you've drunk enough beer ANY pizza is edible.

DARISC 09-12-2007 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by trekkor (Post 3475068)
produce your formula to solve the problem, if you don't mind.

KT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerkuld (Post 3475099)
x = 1 + x/2

multiply both sides by 2

2x = 2 + x

subtract x from both sides

2x - x = 2

2x - x = x therefore x = 2

1.5 multiplied by 2 lbs = 3 lbs

Fini

trekkor 09-12-2007 10:53 AM

OK, thank you. I see it...Finally :)

The brick can only wiegh 2#'s for the 1# weight to work in the answer.


KT


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