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onewhippedpuppy 09-12-2007 07:08 PM

"The Perfect Day" - Scary Stuff
 
Anyone else heard of this? Glen Beck is doing a week long special on Headline News. Apparently, there's relevant information to back up the theories. Hopefully it's just fear mongering, because it is absolutely un-imaginable.

I googled it after seeing the show tonight, here's the transcript from the first show.

Glenn Beck - The Perfect Day
Below is the transcript from Glenn Beck's CNN program - he talks about school bus and radio thefts and "The Perfect Day". Please watch Glenn's program this week as he continues this series.

GLENN BECK: About a few months ago, I started hearing about a terrorist concept called "The Perfect Day." And I`m going to get into exactly what that is here in just a second. But in general, it`s a domino theory. I`ve been talking about it on the radio for over a year, and people have been thinking I`m crazy. The idea is that multiple, seemingly unrelated events may all converge together to pose a threat unlike anything we have ever faced before in this country.

This week, we wanted to focus on one very important aspect of the theory that you`re just not hearing about, although you`re hearing pieces of it, the threat of an attack on our schools. Like almost all of the other really frightening threats that we talk about on this program, our message is one of preparation, not of panic. And it is critical that you understand why we are giving you this information that others either won`t or cannot.

With that being said, I want to introduce you to Brad Thor, who`s new book, "The First Commandment," revolves around the terrorist threat of an attack on our children. Brad is also the former member of the Department of Homeland Security`s Analytic Red Cell program. Also former FBI secret agent Don Clark joins me tonight. He`s the man who led the investigation after the first World Trade Center attack. And Colonel Joe Ruffini, he is a counterterrorism expert and author of "When Terror Comes to Main Street."

Colonel, I want to start with you, because we have to lay out some of the facts here on -- for instance, we found a computer disk and some computer plans of schools here in the United States over in the Middle East. Can you tell me about those, sir?

LT. COL. JOE RUFFINI, COUNTERTERRORISM EXPERT: Yes, we did, Glenn. There have been several instances of computer disks recovered, the ones you`re talking about in Iraq, some Department of Education schools, emergency crisis management plans were found on the disk, school floor plans, school emergency response plans. But the point I`d like to make here is, you know, when we post this stuff on our Web sites, we can`t get surprised when our enemies download it.

BECK: Yes. Now, they`re downloading this, but the FBI warned these schools and said -- there are six schools, six different states. They warned them, but then they came out to the public and said, "There`s nothing really to worry about." But, Brad, you told me earlier today that one of your sources, a guy who`s at a school, the FBI made him sign a...

BRAD THOR, AUTHOR: A nondisclosure agreement and then said, "Now we`re going to tell you the real story." They didn`t want to panic the families, didn`t want to panic the school districts, but they sat this person down and said, "We need to let you know what the real threat is so you can begin preparing."

BECK: OK, now, Colonel, back to you. Another piece of this. Al Qaeda has a training tape out. It`s eight hours long. Only one hour has been seen by law enforcement. I can`t play it on television. You`ve seen all eight hours. Tell me what`s on the tape.

RUFFINI: Well, there was about 64 tapes found in Afghanistan in the caves. And what they did in this particular tape, it was prior to their attack on the Russian middle school in Beslan. And it shows them practicing to take down schools. The tape was made in an abandoned school near Bakoch (ph), right outside of Kabul, that we recovered.

BECK: Is it true that they`re saying the commands to the students in English?

RUFFINI: Yes. Yes. They`re going to speak to the students in their own language. And, you know, you said before, Glenn, this isn`t about paranoia, but it`s about vigilance. You know, we have an enemy that has said they`re justified in killing 4 million Americans, 2 million of those children. We`ve got the siege at Beslan. We have Osama bin Laden, who has promised to bring to our country 100-fold what they did in Beslan, and it still confuses me, what part of we are a nation at war and our kids are threatened don`t we as a nation understand and accept?

BECK: Brad, Osama bin Laden went to a cleric -- I believe it was in Saudi Arabia -- after 9/11, and he specifically asked, how many children in America can I kill, did he not?

THOR: He did. And he got permission to kill up to 2 million. And the reason he went for that permission is he was roundly criticized after 9/11 for not going for through the proper steps. We talked today about his call for Americans to embrace Islam again. That`s part of the way they wage war. They have to have permission to do things, and they have to offer their enemy a way out before they come and hit us with the attack.

BECK: OK. Let me go to Don Clark. Don, before I get into some of the things that have been happening that show that they are testing us right now, the FBI -- we`re in a situation where people are going to say, "What did we know and when did we know it?" But we don`t really know -- we don`t have names. We don`t have dates. We don`t have anything. We have a bunch of pieces that nobody wants to release because they`re afraid that the American people will panic. What is the FBI supposed to do with information where they don`t have anything specific?

DON CLARK, FORMER HEAD OF FBI HOUSTON BUREAU: Well, I think, Glenn, what they have to do is really analyze this information and determine what, in fact, can they put out there that`s actual factual, but yet doesn`t panic the public. And keep in mind, if there`s a possibility that it`s going to endanger some member of the public, whether or not they have something to back that up or not, they`ve gotten that information. They`ve got to get it to someone out there.

BECK: OK, you know what? They have. They have. But then they always -- here`s one alert. This came out, FBI alert came out last March. It said that suspected members of extremist groups have signed up as school bus drivers in the U.S., but then the FBI spokesman said to the media, "Parents and children have nothing to fear." I mean, we have that going on.

Tell me about the situation that we heard about and then it was dismissed in Florida, where two Muslim men get up onto a bus, take a bus hostage for how long?

CLARK: Well, you know, Glenn, that`s absolutely ridiculous. And when I saw that story, I said, "Wait a second." First of all, these Muslims who are supposed to be students over here, and we know the level of people that come over for students, they`re pretty bright. And to get on a school bus and come up with this type of story is absolutely outlandish for somebody just to brush it off. Those are the things that I would hope that, while they may say something else, that they`re really following through with an investigation of these two people.

THOR: And on that point, Glenn, I have to tell you that I have an inside source who was on that investigation who told me, without a question, that there is a lot of feeling down there in Florida that that was a dry run. They wanted to see -- we`ve talked about Al Qaeda being like a shark, coming in and collecting their intelligence, and then they bump you before they bite you. That`s John Guidic`s (ph) line. He`s going to be with us tomorrow night. But that`s exactly what`s going on. We`re seeing these bus drivers and this, that, the other thing to see, where are we weak, and how can they get us?

RUFFINI: Brad, you`re absolutely right. And with those two bus drivers, a lot of pressure was put on the prosecutor`s office by the community relations, what`s called CAIR, the American-Islamic relations folks down there. The political correctness that we`re forced to put up with in this country is literally going to be the death of us. The major charges against both those two gentlemen that hopped that school bus were dropped by the prosecutor in Florida.

onewhippedpuppy 09-12-2007 07:09 PM

BECK: OK, we`re going to get into other things this week. For instance, I mean, what really made me want to do this story, America, is I heard all of these things. And I told before you, I see stories -- Bush said it last week or I mean last summer. The problem is, people see these stories, and they think they`re all disconnected. They`re not.

And I`ve told you for years, I see things kind of like, what`s his name in "A Beautiful Mind," Russell Crowe, where all of these lines, they`re tied together. And one thing that Brad, you and I, were taking about -- we`ll get into later this week -- and I said, "Why would they do these unspeakable things to our kids?" And we`ll get into Beslan tomorrow and explain what they`re planning on doing. And you said, "They want us to."

THOR: They want to force our hand. They want to create something so horrible that we will lose control in our reaction, we will be lynching Muslim people in the streets and burning mosques. They want to reduce us to animals like them so that they can get the Islamic world behind them and finally get the holy war that they want kicked off and ignited.

BECK: There was story that broke, we were talking a minute ago about the shark bumping into you to see if you`re a threat. Don, you`re in Houston. There were 17 school buses that are missing now in Houston. One theory is -- and this is what everybody is hoping for -- that these are just for, you know, drug smuggling or what. But tell me and give me the update on the school buses in Houston.

CLARK: Well, it`s a big concern, Glenn. And I went to the Houston independent school district and talked to the chief of police there, and he was very happy to tell me, that, look, we really do secure those things. But I have to tell you, Don, those are not our buses. Those buses came from private schools here in the area. And they were taken because they were not secured in proper ways or whatever and they were theft, and we don`t know what`s happening to them.

Having said that, I know that they`re taking it very serious, because I talked to some people at the FBI, and they`re not just letting this move about as if nothing has happened, because they are concerned about what`s going to be the use of these buses? Because they know that there are a number of scenarios that could be used with school buses that even guards would let them pass by and do whatever they want them to do.

BECK: Here`s what I have been amazed it. Brad, you were on with me on the radio show today. And I got more calls today on anonymous tips. Somebody wrote in right after the show, and you took that tip.

THOR: Right. And we heard about the dramatic increase in DHS warnings to school districts, in particular the operations managers, for buses, saying if your buses don`t pass inspection, be on the lookout for Middle Eastern men. There are foreign nationals who are trying to buy up school buses. And then you add that to the thousands of school bus radios that have been stolen in the Pacific Northwest, and you have to start saying, what do all these things have in common?

BECK: And this is not something that is going to happen in one town. It`s not just going to happen in New York City. This is a big, big deal. And we`re going to explain it all this week, Brad, Don, Colonel Ruffini, thank you very much.

And as a personal note, this series has put me in the hardest ethical position I think I`ve been in, in 30 years of broadcasting. In the end, I came down that the information that we have is power. There are things that you need to know that you are not being told. We`re not "The New York Times." We`re trying to save lives, not expose anything that our government doesn`t want exposed.

Don Ro 09-12-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 3476154)
RUFFINI: Brad, you`re absolutely right. And with those two bus drivers, a lot of pressure was put on the prosecutor`s office by the community relations, what`s called CAIR, the American-Islamic relations folks down there. The political correctness that we`re forced to put up with in this country is literally going to be the death of us. The major charges against both those two gentlemen that hopped that school bus were dropped by the prosecutor in Florida.

You'll hear the same plea/warning about PC from Brigitte Gabriel the author of Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America.
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http://www.amazon.com/Because-They-Hate-Survivor-Islamic/dp/customer-reviews/0312358377
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"In the second half of the book, she makes the case that mainstream Islam is the problem, not just the more extremist elements. Far from a "religion of peace," it expressly condones, even commands, violence and deception in the service of jihad against infidels worldwide. She warns that what happened in Lebanon will eventually happen in Europe and America unless the complacent West wakes up and abandons its self-destructive political correctness and multiculturalism."

Danny_Ocean 09-12-2007 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 3476157)
They want to force our hand. They want to create something so horrible that we will lose control in our reaction, we will be lynching Muslim people in the streets and burning mosques.

That's where you'll find me... :mad:

Tobra 09-12-2007 09:42 PM

I think even with some horrendous attack, or series of attacks if you planned your routes well, killing say, 100, 000 children between 10 and 15, the reaction against Muslims in general would be less than you would think.

Danny_Ocean 09-12-2007 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3476385)
I think even with some horrendous attack, or series of attacks if you planned your routes well, killing say, 100, 000 children between 10 and 15, the reaction against Muslims in general would be less than you would think.


A) I hope we never have to find out.

B) If something this serious ever happened (100,000 children!), I believe the airports/borders would be packed with Muslims trying to get out of the US with their lives.

onewhippedpuppy 09-13-2007 04:52 AM

I think it would depend on where it originated. Thus far, we haven't had an attack by American muslims. It's always been the terrorist nut-jobs from the middle east. An attack by domestic muslim terrorists, similar to the attempted recent attacks in the UK, would provoke a much stronger reaction. Suddenly, people would start looking at their muslim neighbor, and wondering if their kids are safe around him. That could start a destructive pattern.

One thing I know for sure. If such an attack did happen, the American people would want to see footage of B2s attacking someone. Hopefully not the mosque down the street.

Mo_Gearhead 09-13-2007 05:12 AM

I hope such a major event never happens but I am concerned that at some point in our nation's future it will. These extremists are NOT going away. At some point they may possibly obtain a nuclear device ...and they will use it.

The U.S.A. could revert to complete isolationism (in theory, but it will never happen) telling the world we are through nation building, interfering in other nations politics, etc. and there will still be those that will find a reason to hate us or that have a personal grudge (witness our own little Timmy McVey). It does not take an army of invaders, only a few, radical nut cases.

More terrorism is, sadly, in our future. Their timetable, not ours.

onewhippedpuppy 09-13-2007 05:15 AM

It sounds stupid to say, but focused attacks on a large number of children is possibly more shocking than a nuclear attack. Just the mere fact that they would TARGET children, the most defenseless members of our society.........it says a lot about the people we are dealing with.

Mule 09-13-2007 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead (Post 3476636)
The U.S.A. could revert to complete isolationism (in theory, but it will never happen) telling the world we are through nation building, interfering in other nations politics, etc. and there will still be those that will find a reason to hate us or that have a personal grudge (witness our own little Timmy McVey). It does not take an army of invaders, only a few, radical nut cases.

You mean like we did after Pearl Harbor? If the peace lovers successfully target
American schools, you won't even be able to find a minaret on ebay. Nightly news will have picturres of the day's collection of beards.


More terrorism is, sadly, in our future. Their timetable, not ours.


See folks this is the problem. Folks like gearhead here who think it's inevitable so just put your head between your legs & kiss your ass good by. And then you have nota on the god thread saying hope Jerry Fallwell & the pope are just as bad as bin laden

Mule 09-13-2007 06:03 AM

Glenn Beck is the only guy on TV willing to call a spade a spade in regards to the peace lovers. He still pulls his punches but he's light years better than the rest.

onewhippedpuppy 09-13-2007 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3476704)
Glenn Beck is the only guy on TV willing to call a spade a spade in regards to the peace lovers. He still pulls his punches but he's light years better than the rest.

Agreed. Unlike most of the conservative talk radio hosts, he's not a Republican pundit either. He's much more of a pure conservative. I'd say he probably hates both parties equally, my kind of guy.:cool:

on-ramp 09-13-2007 06:12 AM

don't forget the children killed in Iraq because of Bush's crazy war other there.

but those are different, right? more like collateral damage.
Are you as outraged about the Iraqi children? No outrage?

onewhippedpuppy 09-13-2007 06:23 AM

Please go away. Who has killed more children, suicide bombers or the US soldiers? Further, we do not target children, though I'm sure in your twisted mind that happens.

Mule 09-13-2007 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by on-ramp (Post 3476712)
don't forget the children killed in Iraq because of Bush's crazy war other there.

but those are different, right? more like collateral damage.
Are you as outraged about the Iraqi children? No outrage?

Damn right they're different. Do you think we killed kids in Germany? What should we do, dig up hitler & turn things over to him 'cause some kids got killed? Remember, Germany never attacked us.

I keep thinking you have to be smarter than this but you keep proving me wrong.

stealthn 09-13-2007 06:48 AM

Are these the same "intelligence" people that told Bush there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
I call BS; "There have been several instances of computer disks recovered, the ones you`re talking about in Iraq, some Department of Education schools, emergency crisis management plans were found on the disk, school floor plans, school emergency response plans." --- BS

Mo_Gearhead 09-13-2007 06:59 AM

QUOTE: "Folks like gearhead here who think it's inevitable so just put your head between your legs & kiss your ass good by."
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Mule, you seem to be putting words into my mouth? My point, had you been able to comprehend it, is the Cold War is over, there is no other country on Earth that can compete with the U.S.A. in a conventional military fight. Thus we have ... terrorism. Deny it if you will, it's here, it's our (and other countries) future "war".

It sounds like you have a solution to terrorism, I await breathlessly to hear it.

dhoward 09-13-2007 07:10 AM

My Islamic friends tell me that they only want to live in peace. They are very misunderstood. They tell me this all of the time. You guys just don't undertand them.
You should leave them alone....



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Tobra 09-13-2007 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by on-ramp (Post 3476712)
don't forget the children killed in Iraq because of Bush's crazy war other there.

but those are different, right? more like collateral damage.
Are you as outraged about the Iraqi children? No outrage?

say dipshit, do you see a difference between a child who is killed because his parents were using him for a shield, and a busload of guys assaulting a gradeschool?

This is a question more of when not if. Mule, you are way off base tellingMo that stuff, you did not see the clear intent of his statements. Just because a million people are willing to die, just so they can kill you, does not mean you are resigned to them killing you.

Mule 09-13-2007 07:32 AM

Well Mo, when you state as you did that "More terrorism is, sadly, in our future. Their timetable, not ours," it saves me the trouble.

You can breathe now. I'm gonna tell you the solution, pain! See everybody wants to think that wars are won by killing soldiers. Not true. You win a war by making it too painful for the other side to continue. This age of political correct nonsense has too many people believing this is wrong. It may be. The Romans did it to the Carthaginians. Sherman did it to the Confederacy. We did it to Japan & Germany. Viet Nam did it to us. The principal is sound. If we don't do it to them, we will be facing east to pray 5 times a day. Big problems are rarely complicated. They do however require hard decisions.

Mule 09-13-2007 07:33 AM

Well Mo, when you state as you did that "More terrorism is, sadly, in our future. Their timetable, not ours," it saves me the trouble.

You can breathe now. I'm gonna tell you the solution, pain! See everybody wants to think that wars are won by killing soldiers. Not true. You win a war by making it too painful for the other side to continue. This age of political correct nonsense has too many people believing this is wrong. It may be. The Romans did it to the Carthaginians. Sherman did it to the Confederacy. We did it to Japan & Germany. Viet Nam did it to us. The principal is sound. If we don't do it to them, we will be facing east to pray 5 times a day. Big problems are rarely complicated. They do however require hard decisions.

Tobra 09-13-2007 07:40 AM

And you are spot on with this post Mule

Mule 09-13-2007 07:50 AM

SmileWavy

onewhippedpuppy 09-13-2007 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3476884)
And you are spot on with this post Mule

+1. And unless we cut out this PC BS, at some point in the future they will obtain nuclear weapons from N. Korea or Iran. We know which countries support them, until we go after the source of this evil we're just slapping at flies. Without being supported with money, weapons, and technology, they will be seriously impeded. Until we take the fight to "friendly":rolleyes: countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, as well as Iran and N. Korea, we're wasting our time.

Mo_Gearhead 09-13-2007 08:00 AM

Oh I am breathing now, guffaws of laughter in fact. A most amusing reply Mule and a very antiquated solution. You continue under the misconception that this (war on terrorism) is a country vs. country issue. Duh!

All of your comments reflect on historic military battles and NONE of that strategy applies to random, small groups, planning and carrying out acts of terrorism.

So tell all of us sir, which country/neighborhood/mosque/church/island/mountain range/compound/etc. do we attack first in your Grand Plan of "making THEM feel some pain?"

And PLEASE...indicate how YOUR plan would have stopped the idiot McVey?

Mule 09-13-2007 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead (Post 3476937)
Oh I am breathing now, guffaws of laughter in fact. A most amusing reply Mule and a very antiquated solution. You continue under the misconception that this (war on terrorism) is a country vs. country issue. Duh!

All of your comments reflect on historic military battles and NONE of that strategy applies to random, small groups, planning and carrying out acts of terrorism.

So tell all of us sir, which country/neighborhood/mosque/church/island/mountain range/compound/etc. do we attack first in your Grand Plan of "making THEM feel some pain?"

I'm under the impression we are people fighting people. IMHO we announce, the next attack will result in the obliteration of the masque of ali & all other holy sites in Mecca, kabba stone & all. All holy sites in Medina will go as well. The dome of the rock in Jerusalem gets leveled also (the Jews will get a kick out of that). We expel all aliens from muslim countries & outlaw the practice of islam. American muslims can give it up or leave. We deal respectfully w/ the saudi's & tell them if they like the Bentleys & Ferraris they need to get on the stick, 'cause the toleration of all this murder has come to an end & if ya ain't with us, you're agin' us. We'll find out how many really want to meet allah.

Mule 09-13-2007 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 3476911)
+1. until we go after the source of this evil we're just slapping at flies.

It's time to quit slapping at flies & start slappin the cratch!

onewhippedpuppy 09-13-2007 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead (Post 3476937)
Oh I am breathing now, guffaws of laughter in fact. A most amusing reply Mule and a very antiquated solution. You continue under the misconception that this (war on terrorism) is a country vs. country issue. Duh!

All of your comments reflect on historic military battles and NONE of that strategy applies to random, small groups, planning and carrying out acts of terrorism.

So tell all of us sir, which country/neighborhood/mosque/church/island/mountain range/compound/etc. do we attack first in your Grand Plan of "making THEM feel some pain?"

And PLEASE...indicate how YOUR plan would have stopped the idiot McVey?

No, this IS a country vs country issue. While it isn't a world war type scenario, these terrorists are getting a large amount of support from countries that are our "allies". Saudi Arabia is more than happy to take our oil money, then use it to support terrorist activities against us. Until we see these places for what they are, and take significant action against them, we are wasting our time.

We know where many of these terrorist camps are, but they are in other ME countries. If they won't take action, we should, sovereignty be damned. If they are assisting the terrorists, doesn't that put them at the same level?

RKC 09-13-2007 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3476872)
If we don't do it to them, we will be facing east to pray 5 times a day.

Yes, yes! Surely, that is the general direction of the world since 9/11. Capitalism/freedom on its knees around the world. Eastern Europe, China, India - even the UAE - all falling under the influence of the Caliphate. How long until it is over for our way of life!

....Oh, wait, that is not at all what's happened since 9/11.

Even nuclear weapons used against us will not alter the flow of history. It is a fair assumption that such a weapon would accelerate our dominance of the world rather than delay it.

How could so many of us in the West be so rich and so powerful and so d*amned frightened by a couple of kooks?

Mo_Gearhead 09-13-2007 09:32 AM

Ahhhh yes ...Mule, there lies the problem. Since you didn't reply (your theory as applied to our home-grown McVey, if I may): that SOB was a U. S. military veteran. Should we start bombing VFW halls all across America? Was he Baptist? Put some laser guided munitions into a few churches in his home state, that should show those Baptists we mean business!

Whippedpuppy, you are correct. It is a people vs. people issue, with those individuals hiding among the general population. Certainly some M.E. nations harbor/condone them and I agree we have to pressure those leaders to act.

I am certainly not taking a 'head in the sand' approach by any means. I am saying that previous statements made here are unworkable in the fight against terrorism.

Shaun @ Tru6 09-13-2007 09:45 AM

Someone's ratings are tanking.

onewhippedpuppy 09-13-2007 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 3477176)
Someone's ratings are tanking.

Who? Glen Beck has the 3rd most listened to talk radio show in America, no small deal. Can't say I know about his TV show, but I heard he got a nice chunk of change to do it.

Mule 09-13-2007 09:47 AM

RKC, You must be in the military and have your life on the line, I take it?

Shaun @ Tru6 09-13-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 3477183)
Who? Glen Beck has the 3rd most listened to talk radio show in America, no small deal. Can't say I know about his TV show, but I heard he got a nice chunk of change to do it.

TV

Drdogface 09-13-2007 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 3477020)
We know where many of these terrorist camps are, but they are in other ME countries. If they won't take action, we should, sovereignty be damned. If they are assisting the terrorists, doesn't that put them at the same level?

Just a heads up here...there is no shortage of training camps right here in the US.

Mule 09-13-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead (Post 3477146)
Ahhhh yes ...Mule, there lies the problem. Since you didn't reply (your theory as applied to our home-grown McVey, if I may): that SOB was a U. S. military veteran. Should we start bombing VFW halls all across America? Was he Baptist? Put some laser guided munitions into a few churches in his home state, that should show those Baptists we mean business!

If you feel better deluding yourself into believing that Baptists pose as big a threat as muslims, that is your choice.

I am certainly not taking a 'head in the sand' approach by any means.

I see it as more of a head up ass approach:)

I am saying that previous statements made here are unworkable in the fight against terrorism.

You know what they say about opinions?

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RKC 09-13-2007 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3477185)
RKC, You must be in the military and have your life on the line, I take it?

Nope, I'm not in the military: I'm a bit too old for that. But yes, I think my life (and way of life) are on the line. I'm just not scared of shadows like you. I just use my own judgement instead of relying on commercial (ratings driven) TV to decide the true size of the threat. I just have faith that my leaders and my military can take care of this. Why you don't have faith in our troops is beyond me. I can tell you that Arturo & Mario Vasquez, the sons of my next door neighbor are fine young men and can take care of this problem. One is over there now; one is in DC (which is very nearly as large a problem).

Why don't you think my neighbors' sons can take care of this? Why do you think we're losing when by all proper measures we are winning? Why do you say that everything is horrible but continue to fail to prove it? Why do you have so little faith in the promise and future of America?

onewhippedpuppy 09-13-2007 11:16 AM

I have plenty of faith in our military, none in our government. Unfortunately, the government tells the military what to do. I'm sure the military leadership is just as sick of this "pulled punches" war as we are.

Mule 09-13-2007 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RKC (Post 3477344)
Nope, I'm not in the military: I'm a bit too old for that. But yes, I think my life (and way of life) are on the line. I'm just not scared of shadows like you.

Is that what you think? You think shadows commit all this terrorism?


I just use my own judgement instead of relying on commercial (ratings driven) TV to decide the true size of the threat.

I hate to break it to you but I've been of my current opinions long before any members of the press or government caught on.

I just have faith that my leaders and my military can take care of this. Why you don't have faith in our troops is beyond me.

So unlike the troops in Viet Nam that couldn't win the war because the politicians tied their hands, these guys will succeed, hands tied or not?


I can tell you that Arturo & Mario Vasquez, the sons of my next door neighbor are fine young men and can take care of this problem. One is over there now; one is in DC (which is very nearly as large a problem).

Why don't you think my neighbors' sons can take care of this? Why do you think we're losing when by all proper measures we are winning? Why do you say that everything is horrible but continue to fail to prove it? Why do you have so little faith in the promise and future of America?

My lack of faith is in our slimebag politicians. I didn't say we were losing. But I know this, if the soldiers were allowed to run the war instead of politicians we would be in much better shape. I have the utmost faith in our fighting men. I have great faith in America. I am also smart enough to realize that this PC foolishnes will cost the lives of many good men & women if it's continued.

I hope this helps.


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RKC 09-13-2007 11:33 AM

Our government is of the 18th Century and it shows. Nothing is slower or done less well than those things done by government. Ever been to a court proceeding? Ever helped shape legislation? Heck, ever been to a school board meeting? I've done all three.

Compare what goes on there with what happens today in American business. With what happens in American science. With the American military. With a modern hospital. It is truly sad....

But it has ALWAYS been that way. Yet decade by decade (if not year by year - there are setbacks) we've still climbed up higher and higher and higher. America is still stronger than ever before. Richer than ever before. More free than ever before. More open than ever before. So why all the angst?

Yes, government is a drag. Sometimes I think it is supposed to be, rather than a leader. But we're fine. Always have been, always will be. Our government, with all its warts and obtuse officials is less of a drag than monarchy or religious zealotry or Godless Communism.

We have a better system. We are winning and will continue to win. Others who adopt our Western systems are starting to win more too. This strengthens us and makes it more plain that we are the wave of the future. Why do you think there is radicalism? It exists always during great change. It exists because people in backward areas are scared because they see their peaceful past being swept away by the dynamism of the West.

If the rest of the non-modern world was a fat lady, she'd be singing......


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