I'd always given Plant credit for the "push, push...", but he might have "borrowed" that too :)

I'm going to have to spin some Japanese vinyl tonight while the wife is away. Nice cool night for some glowing tubes powering the electrostatic speakers.

What to drink?

What goes with Led Zeppelin?

scotch

From memory...a warm six-pack and a "you will go to jail" female at your age :)

IIRC wild turkey and seven up to wash down a few blue barrels. ;)

Yeah maybe their music was over the top but they put so much feeling into the music, although not technically great so what? Very little of what sells is. Sure the lemon song lyrics suck (pun intended) but the bass line? Pure magic!

As far as seeing them... I'm not big on dropping hundreds of buck to see a grandpa band. :D

[QUOTE=Nostril Cheese;3479198]This coming from a guy who would pay to suck Mick Jagger's cock.

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To know Jagger is to hate Jagger. He is a prissy, analy retentive control freak.

Page was a Jack Daniels drinker. That helps explain some of his pathetic performances over the years. Plant is an old fart who looks like an old fart. This tour might be embarrassing. Likely, in fact, though there is a glimmer of hope. I thought that virtually all Zep live performances after their first year or so in the limelight were crap until.......

Nebworth. Folks who speak critically of all Zep live performances are making a good point except that they must have missed the Nebworth thing. If a young person asked me why that band is, to this day, considered to be standing at the pinnacle of rock......I would answer by simply playing the Kashmere video from the Nebworth concert. Words would not be necessary, and that young person's question would be answered.

I saw Led Zeppelin twice, first on 6/27/80 in Nurnburg, Germany where Bonham passed out after the third song (Black Dog). We then went to Munich on July 5th and saw the whole show (great show). They played one more date in Berlin and took a break before the U.S. tour, when Bonham died in September. So, I saw his 2nd to last performance and he was great up to the end. Simon Kirke from Bad Company played along with him on "Whole Lotta Love" in Munich. Good times...

"Page never played well live"...

blah blah blah... another point in rock and roll mythology.

If you base this on The Song Remains the Same, which was shot at
the end of the 73 tour when the band was exhausted...then yeah...

but take a look at the videos from "How the West Was Won" DVD...
which include the 69' show in Stockholm... and on up to the 80 Knebworth
shows...

Page was dead on and awesome live...

His overall technique though, is not as "clean" as steve vai, yngwie etc....

but who cares? he played with 2x as much emotion as those type of players
and wrote his guitar parts in the studio with 4x as much musicality as those
guys....

not that music is a "competition" cause it isnt, but you have to be fair
when making comparisons and criticizing a particular player.

I saw Page and Plant in 95, and then met Robert in a bar afterwards and
had a drink with him. It was a great show, they were tight and truly didnt
miss JPJ much.

JPJ was a great bass player, arranger, and a good keyboardist....but his
Presence (no pun intended) in a live show isnt as critical as the other two...
or whomever the drummer is.

Interesting take. I always felt JPJ made the band, and the "other two" were not much without him. I think poor ol' JPJ will go down as the most under rated, under appreciated musician of my generation. He tied it all together for them in so many ways. Look at what he has done since, and compare it to what the "other two" have done since. They were the showmen (along with Bonham, to a degree) but JPJ was the cornerstone of their sound. Don't get me wrong, Page and Plant are both excellent on their own. But there is no "Zeppelin sound" without JPJ. And "whomever the drummer is"?? I take it you never saw Bonzo live, up close. There has never been another one like him; not even his kid.

Separately all 4 are/were superior musicians with specific strengths and weaknesses that complemented/elevated each other resulting in one of the undisputed musical forces of the century whose influences are still felt 20 years after their last collaboration and will for all time be one of the standards by which all others are judged.

JPJ does not get the credit he deserves but to say any one of them were more or less critical to the end product is silly.

You could say the same about the Beatles. But without the final line up who knows what it would have been. And that line up includes George Martin.

i really hope they come to the states.

JPJ is underrated only among non-musicians. The rest of us have known about his arranging prowess for decades. I'll use the Beatles as an analogy. All four were necessary, in both bands. With the Beatles, the idea man was Paul, but the most productive and imaginative artist was John. Paul's chops were like Mozart, whereas John's were more like Beethoven. With Zep, Robert was the John. The expressionist. That was the whole game for him. A 100% pure blues singer. JPJ was the structure. The musician. Page was the gunslinger.

And, quite frankly (this is the strongest opinion I have about Zep), Bonham was a percussion genius of the highest order. Nobody has ever come anywhere near his contribution. Not Moon. Not Peart. Not anybody.

This is not a tour. Its a one off show in London. Although who knows...

Whoever said, btw, that Zeppelin werent technical is quite wrong.

No...Jeff that is not what I meant. I meant "whomever the drummer" is
TODAY for this upcoming live gig.... of course Bonham was the greatest
drummer in rock history.

Have you ever heard the In Through the Out Door outakes of Bonham
cutting his drum tracks? they are amazing, I have them on my laptop

Oh, o.k.; I misunderstood your point on Bonham. I guess in a way it really doesn't matter who the drummer will be today; it won't be Bonham no matter who they choose.

have to disagree with that one...

Everyone in the popular media thinks or tries to spin Lennon as the "artist" .... and Paul as
more of a technician...but if you really know and understand the history and the dynamic of their
relationship personal and as songwriters, you know that these parts "artist" and "idea man"
were interchangable for both of them. Both wrote great songs in all genres.....

for example....Lennon wrote "I am the Walrus" but he also wrote "You've got to Hide Your Love Away", "In My Life" and "Its Only Love"

McCartney spun "Hey Jude", "Helter Skelter", "Why Dont We do it in the Road" as well as
"Yesterday", "For Noone" and "The Long and Winding Road"

They both covered all bases... screaming rockers, satyrical laments, love songs, melodic gems
etc. They competed to write the best songs vs. each other period.

With John and Paul it was their differences that a lot of times came together to make something neither could on their own.

Paul wrote; "It's getting better all the time"

John Added; "It can't get no worse"

Yup; Zeppelin really sucked live. Especially Page...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlULv6T1xs

Thanks to Nostatic for turning me on to this clip.

What dont understand is that this footage is taken from the same tour, maybe even one of the same two shows that the late 70's released movie "Song Remains..." was taken from. Yet as this clip shows, and so does the stuff on How the West was Won, they had much better stuff than a lot of things that made it into the live record and film. TSRTS established the myth of Page as a sloppy live player for the next 25 years..... and didnt help himeself with couple of less than stellar, dribbling performances in the early 90s....one with Phil ferkhead Collins at a big Aid show comes to mind.