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stuartj 09-13-2007 06:07 PM

Led Zeppelin reunion
 
This could be unbelievably good, or more than a little tragic....

I saw the Plant/Page tour in the mid 90's- they were great.

Show them kiddie bands how its really done.
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Led Zeppelin reunion: full details here

Find out where, when PLUS how to get tickets for the band's reformation
12.Sep.07 3:55pm
Led Zeppelin will reform for a one-off show at the O2 Arena in London, it was confirmed today (September 12).

The band will reunite for the show in November 26, topping a bill that also includes Pete Townshend, Foreigner and Paolo Nutini with Bill Wyman And The Rhythm Kings backing those three acts as well as playing their own set.

The show is being held to raise money for the Ahmet Ertegun Education Fund, which pays for university scholarships in the UK, US and Turkey.

The fund was created in honour of Atlantic Records founder Ahmet Ertegun who died last year. He worked helped further the career of a host of acts, including Led Zeppelin.

"During the Zeppelin years, Ahmet Ertegun was a major foundation of solidarity and accord. For us he was Atlantic Records and remained a close friend and conspirator," explained Led Zeppelin frontman Robert Plant of the band's decision to reform. "His performance stands alone as our tribute to the work and the life of our long-standing friend."

Tickets for the show cost £125 each, and they are limited to two per person, and will be distributed by ballot only.

Those wishing to go must register on Ahmettribute.com to be in the ballot. Registration closes on Monday (September 17), while any tickets that appear on online auction sites afterwards will be immediately cancelled.

Successful applicants will find out after October 1.

A big aftershow for the gig is set to take place on the night at the O2's Indigo venue.

Led Zeppelin will feature original members Plant, Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones, while Jason Bonham, the son of their late drummer John Bonham, will play with the band.

The band will also release a new best of compilation 'Mothership' on November 12.

Promoter Harvey Goldsmith said at the moment the band "have no plans to tour but hopes they will". He added they were enjoying working together again and were currently planning a two-hour set for the gig.


http://www.nme.com/news/led-zeppelin/31079

legion 09-13-2007 06:19 PM

I'm not sure what happened between John Paul Jones and Page/Plant. IMO, Jones has kept his "chops" intact better than either Page or Plant. Hopefully old wounds and egos don't ruin a good show.

Rick Lee 09-13-2007 06:27 PM

Page never played well live. I doubt he's gonna start now.

stuartj 09-13-2007 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 3478327)
Page never played well live. I doubt he's gonna start now.

having devoured every live thing of Page's I could as a kid, I can only agree. And I really feared the worst going to see Plant Page in 9? something, had to be dragged along. Legends should remain legends.

But he was spot on. Narey a bad note all night- it was a very pretty impressive display.

slodave 09-13-2007 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 3478539)
And I really feared the worst going to see Plant Page in 9? something, had to be dragged along.

1998 :D. I am looking at my ticket from the Hollywood Bowl. Saturday September 19, 1998 7:30 P.M. Great show!

tabs 09-13-2007 11:19 PM

Squezze My Lemon
 
Led Zepplin was like eating Chinese Food, half an hour later your hungry for something more substantial. Lots of Bombast and little substance....

Chocaholic 09-14-2007 02:39 AM

Wow....you are waaaaaaaay off. Back to your buffet now!

cameron.arnott 09-14-2007 03:00 AM

Booking a plane ticket to the UK now.....:D

Man those guys created some mind blowing music . How many times can you listen to some songs and still come away with something new that you hadn't picked up on before :cool:

They ROCK!!!

cool_chick 09-14-2007 03:24 AM

$451 from Chicago. Good price. Be in AZ around that time...oh well.

tabs 09-14-2007 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 3478676)
Wow....you are waaaaaaaay off. Back to your buffet now!


PBBBT.....With lyrics like..."Squeeze my lemon till the juice runs down my leg." and Robert Plant ahem singing, "PUSH, PUSH, PUSH." I'm supposed to be in awe? They were pure BOMBAST! But that doesn't mean that I didn't like them.

MBAtarga 09-14-2007 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cool_chick (Post 3478702)
$451 from Chicago. Good price. Be in AZ around that time...oh well.

You headed there to see Joe?

cairns 09-14-2007 04:39 AM

C'mon Tabs. You can't judge them by one lyric or one song (the lemon tree) Which I actually thought was pretty cool esp. given the censorship of the day.

They took an old traditional song like "Hangman" and turned it into a brilliant thunder. Babe (I'm gonna leave you) has one of the most beautiful guitar riffs I've ever heard. They were masters of what I call the "building rage" starting out softly and ending in thunder- much emulated by Mr. Springsteen.

Since I've Been Loving You, Tangerine, Whole Lotta Love, the list goes on. While they certainly didn't produce the volumes of wonder the Beatles or Rolling Stones did what they did do was exceptional. In my opinion they are in the very top echelon of rock n' roll- and their music sounds fresh, exciting and beautiful to this day. Heck I'm gonna dig out their first album when I get home tonight.

KFC911 09-14-2007 04:52 AM

Remember those old "console stereos"? My parent's still have theirs and those speakers were no match for Zep 1 & 4 back in the day. I'm glad my older sis had good tastes in music back then!

ps: You can't blame Plant for the lyrics...they "stole" most of them from the older bluesmen :)

Jeff Higgins 09-14-2007 05:01 AM

I was fortunate enough to be growing up through their heyday. I saw them a couple of times in Seattle in the early to mid '70's. The first show was one of the best I have ever seen from anybody, any time, anywhere. They were obviously having fun, interacting with the audience in a somewhat "small" venue (by their later standards). The second was the worst I have seen from anybody, any time, anywhere. It was in the old Kingdome - a large concrete echo chamber. They seemed overwhelmed with the size of it and very detached from the audience, and more than a little put out with the sound quality. You could tell they were trying, but the venue itself defeated them.

I saw Robert Plant solo just a year or two ago, on the anniversary of Bonham's death. He was an hour late taking the stage, seemed as though he did not want to be there, played one set then left. Very much the stuck-up rock star personna. If he (they?) can leave that at home, and come in like they did the first time I saw them, hold on to your hats. They can do it if they choose to. It's up to them.

stuartj 09-14-2007 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3478706)
PBBBT.....With lyrics like..."Squeeze my lemon till the juice runs down my leg." and Robert Plant ahem singing, "PUSH, PUSH, PUSH." I'm supposed to be in awe? They were pure BOMBAST! But that doesn't mean that I didn't like them.


Yeah, but they also gave us

In the land of Morder I met a girl so fair
But Gollum the evil one crept and stole away with her he-er.

That was so good it later formed the basis of a major feature film!

Rick Lee 09-14-2007 05:17 AM

I'll never knock their studio music. It's some of the best, most timeless music ever. I'll never get tired of listening to them. They are true legends. But I doubt they're gonna recapture their former glory with this gig. If they decide to make it into a huge tour, I'm sure ticket prices will be astronomical and the shows will be mediocre at best.

cairns 09-14-2007 05:29 AM

Damn Wikipedia can tell you jsut about anything:

"The Lemon Song" is a song by English rock band Led Zeppelin, featured on their 1969 album Led Zeppelin II. It was recorded in at Mystic Studios in Hollywood when the band was on their second concert tour of the United States.

"The Lemon Song" is laced with sexual innuendo, and features some of Led Zeppelin's most blues-influenced playing. It was recorded virtually live in the studio, and no electronic devices were used to create the echo on Robert Plant's vocal. It was made solely by Plant's voice and the acoustics in Mystic Studios, which was a 16 x 16 foot room with wooden walls.

Another notable aspect of this song is John Paul Jones' complex bass performance, which is heavily funk influenced. During interviews, it has been said by John Paul Jones himself that he had improvised during the entire song. Regardless of whether or not this is a fact, it is still considered by many to be his best bass performance to date; and, by some, one of the greatest ever recorded in rock music.

The song borrows significantly from Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor", which was a song Led Zeppelin often incorporated into their live setlist during their first concert tour of the United States. For the second and third American tours the song evolved into "The Lemon Song", with Plant often improvising lyrics onstage. However, despite Howlin' Wolf's influence on the arrangement, the album sleeve of Led Zeppelin II initially credited only the four members of Led Zeppelin. The band was later sued for copyright infringement, and Howlin' Wolf's name was added to the credits.

Other lyrics, notably "squeeze (my lemon) 'til the juice runs down my leg," can be traced to Robert Johnson's "Traveling Riverside Blues". It is likely that Johnson borrowed this himself, from a song recorded in the same year (1937) called "She Squeezed My Lemon" (by Arthur McKay).[1] Led Zeppelin performed that song for a BBC session in 1969. It was first released on their Box Set in 1990, and was a bonus track on the Coda album for The Complete Studio Recordings. It is also included on the BBC Sessions album. Robert Johnson's name has never been added to the credits for "The Lemon Song".

Jimmy Page performed this song on his tour with The Black Crowes in 1999. A version of "The Lemon Song" performed by Page and The Black Crowes can be found on the album Live at the Greek.

stuartj 09-14-2007 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cairns (Post 3478856)
Damn Wikipedia can tell you jsut about anything:


Jimmy Page performed this song on his tour with The Black Crowes in 1999. A version of "The Lemon Song" performed by Page and The Black Crowes can be found on the album Live at the Greek.


Bloody good record this. Its got a couple of live songs - like my very favorite Zep track "Ten Years Gone", with its multiple guitar parts, which Zeppelin could never do live (AFAIK) . Good version of Peter greens "Oh Well", too.

stomachmonkey 09-14-2007 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 3478803)
Remember those old "console stereos"? My parent's still have theirs and those speakers were no match for Zep 1 & 4 back in the day. I'm glad my older sis had good tastes in music back then!

ps: You can't blame Plant for the lyrics...they "stole" most of them from the older bluesmen :)


Most? Not even close.

Nostril Cheese 09-14-2007 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3478633)
Led Zepplin was like eating Chinese Food, half an hour later your hungry for something more substantial. Lots of Bombast and little substance....

This coming from a guy who would pay to suck Mick Jagger's cock.

It's Zeppelin, btw.

Page is kind of hit or miss. Sometimes he's really good live, sometimes he sucks.

KFC911 09-14-2007 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 3478881)
Most? Not even close.

I'd always given Plant credit for the "push, push...", but he might have "borrowed" that too :)

kach22i 09-14-2007 08:24 AM

I'm going to have to spin some Japanese vinyl tonight while the wife is away. Nice cool night for some glowing tubes powering the electrostatic speakers.

What to drink?

What goes with Led Zeppelin?

Jim Bremner 09-14-2007 08:34 AM

scotch

KFC911 09-14-2007 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 3479274)
...What to drink?

What goes with Led Zeppelin?

From memory...a warm six-pack and a "you will go to jail" female at your age :)

scottmandue 09-14-2007 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 3479274)
What to drink?

What goes with Led Zeppelin?

IIRC wild turkey and seven up to wash down a few blue barrels. ;)

Yeah maybe their music was over the top but they put so much feeling into the music, although not technically great so what? Very little of what sells is. Sure the lemon song lyrics suck (pun intended) but the bass line? Pure magic!

As far as seeing them... I'm not big on dropping hundreds of buck to see a grandpa band. :D

tabs 09-14-2007 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=Nostril Cheese;3479198]This coming from a guy who would pay to suck Mick Jagger's cock.

QUOTE]

To know Jagger is to hate Jagger. He is a prissy, analy retentive control freak.

Superman 09-14-2007 11:33 AM

Page was a Jack Daniels drinker. That helps explain some of his pathetic performances over the years. Plant is an old fart who looks like an old fart. This tour might be embarrassing. Likely, in fact, though there is a glimmer of hope. I thought that virtually all Zep live performances after their first year or so in the limelight were crap until.......

Nebworth. Folks who speak critically of all Zep live performances are making a good point except that they must have missed the Nebworth thing. If a young person asked me why that band is, to this day, considered to be standing at the pinnacle of rock......I would answer by simply playing the Kashmere video from the Nebworth concert. Words would not be necessary, and that young person's question would be answered.

craigster59 09-14-2007 12:09 PM

I saw Led Zeppelin twice, first on 6/27/80 in Nurnburg, Germany where Bonham passed out after the third song (Black Dog). We then went to Munich on July 5th and saw the whole show (great show). They played one more date in Berlin and took a break before the U.S. tour, when Bonham died in September. So, I saw his 2nd to last performance and he was great up to the end. Simon Kirke from Bad Company played along with him on "Whole Lotta Love" in Munich. Good times...

Sonic dB 09-14-2007 01:14 PM

"Page never played well live"...

blah blah blah... another point in rock and roll mythology.

If you base this on The Song Remains the Same, which was shot at
the end of the 73 tour when the band was exhausted...then yeah...

but take a look at the videos from "How the West Was Won" DVD...
which include the 69' show in Stockholm... and on up to the 80 Knebworth
shows...

Page was dead on and awesome live...

His overall technique though, is not as "clean" as steve vai, yngwie etc....

but who cares? he played with 2x as much emotion as those type of players
and wrote his guitar parts in the studio with 4x as much musicality as those
guys....

not that music is a "competition" cause it isnt, but you have to be fair
when making comparisons and criticizing a particular player.

I saw Page and Plant in 95, and then met Robert in a bar afterwards and
had a drink with him. It was a great show, they were tight and truly didnt
miss JPJ much.

JPJ was a great bass player, arranger, and a good keyboardist....but his
Presence (no pun intended) in a live show isnt as critical as the other two...
or whomever the drummer is.

Jeff Higgins 09-14-2007 01:54 PM

Interesting take. I always felt JPJ made the band, and the "other two" were not much without him. I think poor ol' JPJ will go down as the most under rated, under appreciated musician of my generation. He tied it all together for them in so many ways. Look at what he has done since, and compare it to what the "other two" have done since. They were the showmen (along with Bonham, to a degree) but JPJ was the cornerstone of their sound. Don't get me wrong, Page and Plant are both excellent on their own. But there is no "Zeppelin sound" without JPJ. And "whomever the drummer is"?? I take it you never saw Bonzo live, up close. There has never been another one like him; not even his kid.

stomachmonkey 09-14-2007 02:25 PM

Separately all 4 are/were superior musicians with specific strengths and weaknesses that complemented/elevated each other resulting in one of the undisputed musical forces of the century whose influences are still felt 20 years after their last collaboration and will for all time be one of the standards by which all others are judged.

JPJ does not get the credit he deserves but to say any one of them were more or less critical to the end product is silly.

You could say the same about the Beatles. But without the final line up who knows what it would have been. And that line up includes George Martin.

gprsh924 09-14-2007 03:05 PM

i really hope they come to the states.

Superman 09-14-2007 03:15 PM

JPJ is underrated only among non-musicians. The rest of us have known about his arranging prowess for decades. I'll use the Beatles as an analogy. All four were necessary, in both bands. With the Beatles, the idea man was Paul, but the most productive and imaginative artist was John. Paul's chops were like Mozart, whereas John's were more like Beethoven. With Zep, Robert was the John. The expressionist. That was the whole game for him. A 100% pure blues singer. JPJ was the structure. The musician. Page was the gunslinger.

And, quite frankly (this is the strongest opinion I have about Zep), Bonham was a percussion genius of the highest order. Nobody has ever come anywhere near his contribution. Not Moon. Not Peart. Not anybody.

stuartj 09-14-2007 03:51 PM

This is not a tour. Its a one off show in London. Although who knows...

Whoever said, btw, that Zeppelin werent technical is quite wrong.

Sonic dB 09-14-2007 04:03 PM

Quote:

And "whomever the drummer is"?? I take it you never saw Bonzo live, up close. There has never been another one like him; not even his kid.
No...Jeff that is not what I meant. I meant "whomever the drummer" is
TODAY for this upcoming live gig.... of course Bonham was the greatest
drummer in rock history.

Have you ever heard the In Through the Out Door outakes of Bonham
cutting his drum tracks? they are amazing, I have them on my laptop

Jeff Higgins 09-14-2007 04:07 PM

Oh, o.k.; I misunderstood your point on Bonham. I guess in a way it really doesn't matter who the drummer will be today; it won't be Bonham no matter who they choose.

Sonic dB 09-14-2007 04:09 PM

Quote:

With the Beatles, the idea man was Paul, but the most productive and imaginative artist was John
have to disagree with that one...

Everyone in the popular media thinks or tries to spin Lennon as the "artist" .... and Paul as
more of a technician...but if you really know and understand the history and the dynamic of their
relationship personal and as songwriters, you know that these parts "artist" and "idea man"
were interchangable for both of them. Both wrote great songs in all genres.....

for example....Lennon wrote "I am the Walrus" but he also wrote "You've got to Hide Your Love Away", "In My Life" and "Its Only Love"

McCartney spun "Hey Jude", "Helter Skelter", "Why Dont We do it in the Road" as well as
"Yesterday", "For Noone" and "The Long and Winding Road"

They both covered all bases... screaming rockers, satyrical laments, love songs, melodic gems
etc. They competed to write the best songs vs. each other period.

stomachmonkey 09-14-2007 04:23 PM

With John and Paul it was their differences that a lot of times came together to make something neither could on their own.

Paul wrote; "It's getting better all the time"

John Added; "It can't get no worse"

Jeff Higgins 09-14-2007 06:06 PM

Yup; Zeppelin really sucked live. Especially Page...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlULv6T1xs

Thanks to Nostatic for turning me on to this clip.

stuartj 09-14-2007 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 3480168)
Yup; Zeppelin really sucked live. Especially Page...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlULv6T1xs

Thanks to Nostatic for turning me on to this clip.

What dont understand is that this footage is taken from the same tour, maybe even one of the same two shows that the late 70's released movie "Song Remains..." was taken from. Yet as this clip shows, and so does the stuff on How the West was Won, they had much better stuff than a lot of things that made it into the live record and film. TSRTS established the myth of Page as a sloppy live player for the next 25 years..... and didnt help himeself with couple of less than stellar, dribbling performances in the early 90s....one with Phil ferkhead Collins at a big Aid show comes to mind.


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