Of course not. She IS the devil though.

here's photo proof
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1190935144.jpg

That is a really cool devil statue! I want one!

That is absolutley untrue. Any biologist or anthropogist will be happy to explain this you.

Every sentence of this paragraph is completely unsupportable superstitious nonsense. How can a grown up buy into this nonsense?


Mmmm.


What physical evidence? Exponentially, you say? There are more people on this planet than there have ever been in history. What do you mean "exponentially"? Do you have an evil-o-meter? How do you know this evidence is "True"? Could it not be just your belief?

No, belief in satan is the driving force behind evil.

This religion all over. You make the unsupportable claim, then demand that that it be disproved.

Yes, "fact" is a rather absolute word. Its lucky your Evil-o-meter is working overtime to support that concensus.

That is exactly my point -- you call it superstitious, while I call it spiritual. But no matter how you call it, you cannot prove it from a scientific perspective.

And while you feel that a biologist can explain emotions and such, do you really believe that science has an explanation for everything?

-Z-man.

This belief can certainly be called spiritual. It is not Stuart's or my or any else's obligation to disprove your extraordinary claims, it is your obligation to prove them or simply admit your belief is based upon "faith".

You cannot disprove the Great Teapot(s), but that does not prove Their existence.

And, science has a much better track record of explaining stuff than any of the world's religions.

FWIW.

Best,

Kurt

P.S.: I guess it was only a matter of time before this parallel of the "God" thread materialized.

Yes indeed. Though I didn't state that explicitly in this thread -- my belief is indeed based upon faith. It has to be. My definition of faith is simple: it is the belief in something which cannot be seen, cannot be scientifically proven, or cannot be physically explained.
However, your logic also dictates this: you cannot scientifically prove that God exists, but that does not prove the non-existence of God.
And thus we reach an impass where it is simply best to agree to disagree on such matters.
Sure -- since most of the "stuff" the science can explain is part of the physical realm.
That's cause they both operate in the same realm -- not unlike two opposing chess pieces on the same checkered board...

It's been a good discussion thus far...
-Zoltan.

so satan is like an out of control assistant manager for god? he does the dirty work or takes the blame for evil deeds? can't understand why wouldn't god just smite him, remove him so he doesn't inspire any more evil? maybe he could also smite that nasty mother nature b!tch that causes so much death and destruction. she's way out of control. and those pesky demons always going around possessing innocent people. making them speak in different tongues and moving furniture around. smite them all and get things under control once again

Agreed. It cannot be proven that God does not exist as it cannot be proven that celestial teapots do not exist. This is why I do not 100% rule out the existence of some type of super-evolved god-like entity, although my opinion is that it is highly unlikely.

It has been a good discussion and you seem to be a reasonable human. :)

Best,

Kurt

[QUOTE=Z-man;3502495]Yes indeed. Though I didn't state that explicitly in this thread -- my belief is indeed based upon faith. It has to be. My definition of faith is simple: it is the belief in something which cannot be seen, cannot be scientifically proven, or cannot be physically explained.

However, your logic also dictates this: you cannot scientifically prove that God exists, but that does not prove the non-existence of God.
And thus we reach an impass where it is simply best to agree to disagree on such matters.

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Ofcourse its based on faith. Thats all its based on, and all it can be based on. Faith is ability to believe that for which there is no material support or evidence. The "god" thread has raged for 300+ pages to get to that conclusion.

Delusion.

Exactly, and yes, it has. :)

Just look around you and continue to pray the following daily: Lets again make him captive in the abyss:

Most glorious Prince of the Heavenly armies, Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in our battle against principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the spirit of wickedness in the high places. Come to the assistance of men whom God has created to His likeness and whom He has redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of the devil. The Holy Church venerates thee as her guardian and protector; to thee the Lord has entrusted the souls of the redeemed to be led into Heaven. Pray therefore the God of Peace to crush Satan beneath our feet, that he may no longer retain men captive and do injury to the Church. Offer our prayers to the most High, that without delay they may draw His mercy down upon us. Take hold of the dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, bind him, and cast him into the bottomless pit so that he should no more seduce the nations. Amen.

More to point, there is no Devil without God. God defined the abstract concept of sin when he punished Adam and Eve for eating the proverbial apple. If God had said something like, "Jeez guys, I told you not eat the god damn fruit, now go and play with the zebras," we wouldn't have such a sucky existence.

You could logically argue that God hates Man using the Bible. It wasn't the Devil who introduced temptation, it was God. God created the groundrules for Man's existence. Did he really need to plant the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden? And let's say he did. OK, first of all, trees bear fruit for one reason: reproduction. if I go to Home Depot, I'm pretty sure they don't have Trees of Knowledge sitting next to the Phycas.

Second, couldn't it have bore pine cones or something similar? Who would be tempted to eat a pine cone?

Third, God doesn't know about fences? that would have kept A&E out.

Lastly, why would an all-knowing God create something so innocently fallible as Man and then place rules around his existence KNOWING he's going to FAIL and be damned for the rest of eternity. does that make any sense at all?

Would you tell your kid not to eat the cookies, nothing more than that, and when he does, his punishment is to be beaten and shouted at every day for the rest of his life? Should this kid still love his parents? Should he ask repeatedly for absolution day after day as the beatings and shouting continue? And even when he BBQ's some chicken for his parents, the fragrance of which is pleasing to them, they still beat him mercilessly. At best they might help him beat up some other kids on the block, maybe promise him ownership of the treehouse in the next door neighbor's yard.

loving God.:rolleyes:

Everyone must choose between right and wrong, every day. A&E had to choose between right (obedience of God's rules) and wrong (disobedience). They chose poorly. The repercussion of their choice was pain and suffering.

When your child is disobedient, do you not punish the child so that they may choose to be obedient? If you commit a crime, do you not expect that they penalty will involve pain and/or suffering?

of course you punish your child.

but you have to ask yourself why God created the concept of sin, AFTER creating A&E, and therefore punishment.

Since God created the Devil and since it has been effectively proven that God exists:rolleyes: then the Devil exists.

I blame God for evil. He created that too. Buck's gotta stop somewhere.