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Who will win 2007 F1 Championship ? Poll !

Let us see if the Pelican community can look into the future with three races left.

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Hamilton, if he can shake the funk from all the crap that just went down.
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Any Ferarri driver if the FIA has its say so. Never seen something as rigged as this season in my life...
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Who I think will win (alonso) is not necessarily who I want to win (kimi). I have a feeling that hammy's star won't shine as bright as it has so far this season now that Fernando is treating him like an enemy instead of a teammate.

BTY, how'd ya put those little dots over the letters in Kimi's last name?
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Ahaaa!!! I know a computer trick you don´t !!

The Swedish language has a few letters more than the English - Å, Ä and Ö. Pronounced oh, ae and eu respectively.

I have been hoping for Kimi too this season, but the odds look pretty grim now.
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I have voted for Alonso. I think having won 2 titles from MS himself will help him manage the pressure.
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I picked Kimi before the season started and as long as other teams keep from cheating it might happen.

As far as the constructors goes, I feel McLaren should have it, they have a more consistent car this season and that is what wins. I really do not think their consistency is courtesy of Stepney. I do think they got some of their speed from Ferrari secrets and I also think they protest some of Ferrari's "illegal" components after seeing their details of them via Stepney.

The drivers have been left to fight it out and my fingers are crossed that Ferrari can dominate the last 3 races and pull this off. It would require Hamilton to not finish in the points ar pretty far back in order for Kimi to catch him but anything is possible.
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I have voted for Alonso. I think having won 2 titles from MS himself will help him manage the pressure.

You voted Alonso because your from Spain....
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I never though I'd actually want to pick Kimmi as a favourite of mine to win, but given the alternative of Alonso, Hamilton(whose shown some pretty arrogant conduct) and Massa(Who I don't think can pull it off).

So long as the team(Mclaren) can still function, their drivers will probably take it, but I expect some serious infighting unless someone gets a hand on it. The Ferrari drivers are likely to catch up. I haven't watched a F1 race lately(I don't have telly or cable), but last one I saw at a local Ferrari enthusiasts get together Massa seemed to push beyond what he could do. Perhaps he's dealing with pressure better now, I don't know. I'm voting Kimi, although its not a choice I altogether like.
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I'd really like to see Hamilton take it . Mostly I can't stand Alonso, to any degree.
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I think Alonso will win if Hamilton is prevented from using Alonso's set-up info. I suspect that Ron Dennis has allowed an inter-squad competition since Lewis didn't let Alonso get by during qualifying a few races ago.

That isn't what I would like to see, but I suspect that will be the outcome. I think Alonso is quite unsporting and should go to Ferrari next year. Ferrari likewise is happy to have championships settled anywhere but on the race track.

Hopefully, Luca DiMontezemola does not represent the future of F1, as he appears to have no ethics, no sportsmanship and no honor. He simply wishes to win any way he can. The contrast between the comments of Dr. Mario Thiessen and Luca is quite stark, and BMW/Sauber deserves all of the success they have had this season for running a first class operation.

Ferrari, on the other hand, are scoundrels who continue to be propped up by the FIA and WMSC simply because they have such a large fan base and Bernie and Max think that's good for business.
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I voted Raikkonen.

It should be Hamilton, but I don't think the FIA will let that happen.
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Keep the votes coming!

We need statistical significance.
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I voted Raikkonen.

It should be Hamilton, but I don't think the FIA will let that happen.
How is the FIA not letting it happen. The FIA could have stripped both Hamilton and Alonso of their points in this whole Stepneygate scandal and did not, it seems they had the perfect opportunity to take Hamilton out of the equation to give Ferrari a open path to the championship.

Everyone is blinded by their hatred for Ferrari. They were protested for their floorboard after the 1st race and it was upheld. Ferrari had to change their cars and they lost pace and McLaren was able to capitalize on it. I would say that was a slant against Ferrari by the FIA. Especially when you consider now that the info McLaren used to protest Ferrari was gathered from Stepney.

Then Last year Ferrari was protested for their movable front wing, yet this year McLaren is running a movable front wing.

Then Renault was protested for their mass dampener in their front suspension, it took a very long time for the FIA to make a decision on it I would say Renault was able to get an advantage in the points while they battled over it.

Ferrari has not won in 2 years and it does not look like they will win the Drivers Championship this year either, yet everyone boo hoo's that the FIA is trying to make them win.

I do not see it.
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I think Alonso will win if Hamilton is prevented from using Alonso's set-up info. I suspect that Ron Dennis has allowed an inter-squad competition since Lewis didn't let Alonso get by during qualifying a few races ago.

That isn't what I would like to see, but I suspect that will be the outcome. I think Alonso is quite unsporting and should go to Ferrari next year. Ferrari likewise is happy to have championships settled anywhere but on the race track.
Ferrari tends to send away drivers with such a bad attitude, I don't think Alonso would make it for two seasons at Ferrari.
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Everyone is blinded by their hatred for Ferrari. They were protested for their floorboard after the 1st race and it was upheld. Ferrari had to change their cars and they lost pace and McLaren was able to capitalize on it. I would say that was a slant against Ferrari by the FIA. Especially when you consider now that the info McLaren used to protest Ferrari was gathered from Stepney.

Then Last year Ferrari was protested for their movable front wing, yet this year McLaren is running a movable front wing.

I do not see it.
Jim,

Remember the "hidden fuel" issue with Honda. They were stripped of points and excluded from several races. Ferrari was simply told to cease and desist as a result of the movable floor. The movable rear wing employed by Ferrari moved with respect to its angle of attack which altered the drag and downforce. Again, no penalty for Ferrari. They simply had to stop using it. The McLaren wing simply moved up and down with no change in angle of attack. It was looked at and deemed to be compliant.

Lastly, the teams care more about the Constructors Championship. Stripping McLaren of their series points accomplished what the WMSC wanted. To eliminate Alonso or Hamilton would simply be peeing in their own bath water.

I suggest you look a little closer.
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Remember the "hidden fuel" issue with Honda. They were stripped of points and excluded from several races. Ferrari was simply told to cease and desist as a result of the movable floor. The movable rear wing employed by Ferrari moved with respect to its angle of attack which altered the drag and downforce. Again, no penalty for Ferrari. They simply had to stop using it. The McLaren wing simply moved up and down with no change in angle of attack. It was looked at and deemed to be compliant.

Lastly, the teams care more about the Constructors Championship. Stripping McLaren of their series points accomplished what the WMSC wanted. To eliminate Alonso or Hamilton would simply be peeing in their own bath water.

I suggest you look a little closer.
How about the mass dampener on Renault, it clearly gave them an advantage and no penalty just had to stop using it.

Both of Ferrari's infractions were subject to debate, They were not as blatant as trying to hide fuel. They were interpretations of the rules that were deemed illegal after debate. The floorboard passed the flexibility test, it was not until McLaren got hold of Ferrari's plans that they knew it was there and told the FIA to look harder. One could argue, since it passed the flexibility test it might be legal. A couple of teams were doing it nit just Ferrari.

BTW - It was Ferrari's front wing not rear, the front was not attached at one end and would flex with speed kind of the same way the McLaren one flexes with speed.
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I voted for Alonso. I don't like the guy... but you can't negate he's a good driver.

To me he's on a par with Kimi. Both moved teams and tires this season. The first few races were to get adjusted...

Hamilton is clearly a very good driver. I think he needs to find a couple of tenths to fight FA.

Clearly LH can outbrake nearly everybody... still he needs to mature into a champion.

I say Alonso because the advantage he has over Kimi is huge and it looks like LH is on the defense.

I think it's BS that McLaren has favoured Lewis this season. Alonso is great (as was MS) at getting the F1 world to work for him.
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"Remember the "hidden fuel" issue with Honda. They were stripped of points and excluded from several races. Ferrari was simply told to cease and desist as a result of the movable floor. The movable rear wing employed by Ferrari moved with respect to its angle of attack which altered the drag and downforce. Again, no penalty for Ferrari. They simply had to stop using it. The McLaren wing simply moved up and down with no change in angle of attack. It was looked at and deemed to be compliant.

Lastly, the teams care more about the Constructors Championship. Stripping McLaren of their series points accomplished what the WMSC wanted. To eliminate Alonso or Hamilton would simply be peeing in their own bath water.

I suggest you look a little closer."

I complely concur. When you look a the members of the FIA "World Council" there are at least five or six members who have voted in Ferrari's interest no matter what. One of their former Directors, the head of the Italian motorsports council, Mosley (does anyone think he likes Ron Dennis?) oh and some guy named Jean Todt. This is anything but an independent body. And they know better than anyone what would have happened had they ruled consistently and stripped the drivers of even a few of their points. Better to hand the Constructor's championship to Ferrari, line their pockets with a cool 100 mil and (just to rub it in) let Ferrari look over their FY08 car too. An inconsistent and stupidly Draconian penalty in my view.

BTW I voted Alonso. But I'd much rather see Massa take it.

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Kimi is the best driver out there. McLaren was privy to Ferrari pit strategy and in formula 1 only three things count, driver talent, car quality and pit strategy. Oh yeh let's add some luck. Had McLaren competed fairly Kimi would probably be leading the championship.
Take a look at fast laps for the season. Ferrari leads by a good margin.
Massa is my personal favorite and possibly the most underrated driver in F1.
Hamilton is amazing and had it not been for the spy row he would deserve all kinds of accolades.
Alonzo is a baby and a baffoon. Black mail your team for personal gain, Ron Dennis should can his a** right now.

As for the FIA conspiracy, I think you're right. Wasn't that Jean Todt on the grassy knoll in Dallas?

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