Valerie Plame Wilson in Long Beach tonight - anyone going?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I'll probably be there. Anyone up for a beer afterwards?

http://www.carpenterarts.org/

[Nathans_Dad]

Are you going to heckle her??

"Don't TAZE me bro!!"

[ronin]

now that's some funny schit!

[legion]

Let me guess:

"Boo hoo! Whoa is me! My life is ruined!" (My public-speaking fee is $500,000...)

[JCF]

Why is it funny?
Wasn't she serving her country?
Are we only backing those who sacrifice for our country AND are willing to be stabbed in the back by those who seem to think it is a game ( but were unwilling to serve when their call came ) ?

[stealthn]

Geez I didn't know the US had hot spy skanks,
I'll give you $5 if you shout out "do I make you horny baby?"

[Porsche-O-Phile]

LOL! For $5 plus bail, sure.

[ronin]

Originally Posted by JCF

Why is it funny?

I was referring to Rick's post

[JCF]

Yes, that was funny.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by JCF

Why is it funny?
Wasn't she serving her country?
Are we only backing those who sacrifice for our country AND are willing to be stabbed in the back by those who seem to think it is a game ( but were unwilling to serve when their call came ) ?

No, she was serving her hubby, who had a axe to grind, she was already known and not an agent, something some people like to overlook, like the fact that her hubby gave her name a year before

[Rick Lee]

She made out like a bandit in this whole thing. I almost think she and her hubby planned it all. They've made more off this than both would have ever made in their government careers. Retired and filthy rich in their early 50's, moved to NM. I'll take that knife in my back any day.

[JCF]

Oh ?
It was her husband who leaked her name ?

You dead enders are too much.

[mikester]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

No, she was serving her hubby, who had a axe to grind, she was already known and not an agent, something some people like to overlook, like the fact that her hubby gave her name a year before

I'd like to see your facts - it is to my knowledge considered true that she was covert at the time her identity was leaked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair#_note-moskowitzletter

Refer to citation #4.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by JCF

Oh ?
It was her husband who leaked her name ?

You dead enders are too much.

Dead enders, yea right

You liberal are follows for a reason

Woodward: Well it was Joe Wilson who was sent by the agency, isn’t it?
Armitage: His wife works for the agency.
Woodward: Why doesn’t that come out? Why does that have to be a big secret?
Armitage: (over) Everybody knows it.
Woodward: Everyone knows?
Armitage: Yeah. And they know ’cause Joe Wilson’s been calling everybody. He’s pissed off ’cause he was designated as a low level guy went out to look at it. So he’s all pissed off.
Woodward: But why would they send him?
Armitage: Because his wife’s an analyst at the agency.
Woodward: It’s still weird.
Armitage: He — he’s perfect. She — she, this is what she does. She’s a WMD analyst out there.
Woodward: Oh, she is.
Armitage: (over) Yeah.
Woodward: Oh, I see. I didn’t think…
Armitage: (over) "I know who’ll look at it." Yeah, see?
Woodward: Oh. She’s the chief WMD…?
Armitage: No. She’s not the…
Woodward: But high enough up that she could say, "oh, yeah, hubby will go."
Armitage: Yeah. She knows [garbled].
Woodward: Was she out there with him, when he was…?
Armitage: (over) No, not to my knowledge. I don’t know if she was out there. But his wife’s in the agency as a WMD analyst. How about that?

May 2003: Joe Wilson began to "advise" the Kerry for President campaign.

Wilson… said he has long been a Kerry supporter and has contributed $2,000 to the campaign this year. He said he has been advising Kerry on foreign policy for about five months and will campaign for Kerry, including a trip to New Hampshire… — David Tirrell-Wysocki, "Former Ambassador Wilson Endorses Kerry In Presidential Race,” The Associated Press, 10/23/03

Five months prior to October 2, 2003 would be May 2, 2003. What happened on that date?

May 2, 2003: Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame attended a conference sponsored by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, at which Wilson spoke about Iraq. One of the other panelists was the New York Times journalist Nicholas Kristof.

(Coincidentally, all records of this particular conference at the Senate Democratic Policy Committee have been expunged from their website.)

May 3, 2003: Over breakfast, Wilson and Valerie told Kristof about his trip to Niger.

May 6, 2003: Kristof published the first public mention of Wilson’s mission to Niger, without identifying him by name, in a column for the New York Times, Missing in Action: Truth.

I’m told by a person involved in the Niger caper that more than a year ago the vice president’s office asked for an investigation of the uranium deal, so a former U.S. ambassador to Africa was dispatched to Niger. In February 2002, according to someone present at the meetings, that envoy reported to the C.I.A. and State Department that the information was unequivocally wrong and that the documents had been forged.

The envoy reported, for example, that a Niger minister whose signature was on one of the documents had in fact been out of office for more than a decade. In addition, the Niger mining program was structured so that the uranium diversion had been impossible. The envoy’s debunking of the forgery was passed around the administration and seemed to be accepted – except that President Bush and the State Department kept citing it anyway.

Note that unlike in his interview with CNN on March 8, 2003, Wilson was now claiming to have personally taken an active role in debunking the so-called forgeries. Which is of course untrue, since we now know Wilson never saw the documents.

The Senate’s Select Committee On Intelligence, which examined pre-Iraq war intelligence, reported that Wilson "had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports."

(The Senate Committee’s report goes on to say: the former ambassador said that he may have "misspoken" to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were "forged.")

And of course Mr. Wilson’s report was anything but "unequivocal." Indeed, the same Senate report said that the CIA believed Wilson’s trip had provided evidence that Iraq was trying to buy Yellowcake from Niger.

May 23, 2003: The John Kerry For President campaign recorded a $1,000 contribution from Joe Wilson.

June 12, 2003: Walter Pincus published an article in the Washington Post, CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data.

During his trip, the CIA’s envoy spoke with the president of Niger and other Niger officials mentioned as being involved in the Iraqi effort, some of whose signatures purportedly appeared on the documents.

After returning to the United States, the envoy reported to the CIA that the uranium-purchase story was false, the sources said. Among the envoy’s conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong," the former U.S. government official said.

Again, we now know that what Wilson told Pincus, like what he had told Kristof, was completely untrue, since the relevant papers were not in CIA hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.

June 2003: According to the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward, the following interview with Richard Armitage at the State Department transpired "about a month before" Robert Novak’s column appeared on July 14, 2003.

Woodward: Well it was Joe Wilson who was sent by the agency, isn’t it?
Armitage: His wife works for the agency.
Woodward: Why doesn’t that come out? Why does that have to be a big secret?
Armitage: (over) Everybody knows it.
Woodward: Everyone knows?
Armitage: Yeah. And they know ’cause Joe Wilson’s been calling everybody. He’s pissed off ’cause he was designated as a low level guy went out to look at it. So he’s all pissed off.
Woodward: But why would they send him?
Armitage: Because his wife’s an analyst at the agency.
Woodward: It’s still weird.
Armitage: He – he’s perfect. She – she, this is what she does. She’s a WMD analyst out there.
Woodward: Oh, she is.
Armitage: (over) Yeah.
Woodward: Oh, I see. I didn’t think…
Armitage: (over) "I know who’ll look at it." Yeah, see?
Woodward: Oh. She’s the chief WMD…?
Armitage: No. She’s not the…
Woodward: But high enough up that she could say, "oh, yeah, hubby will go."
Armitage: Yeah. She knows [garbled].
Woodward: Was she out there with him, when he was…?
Armitage: (over) No, not to my knowledge. I don’t know if she was out there. But his wife’s in the agency as a WMD analyst. How about that?

Why would Richard Armitage have been talking about Wilson and Plame in June of 2003? This was still weeks before Joe Wilson wrote his New York Times editorial, and a month before Robert Novak published his column mentioning Valerie Plame.

Armitage brought this up because he is a gossip and it was already common knowledge because Joe Wilson had been calling all of the newspapers trying to get them to run his story about his mission to Niger.

Given the chronology and Mr. Armitage’s remarks, it seems quite obvious Mr. Wilson outed his wife when he spoke to the Senate Democratic Policy Committee and then to the subsequent reporters at the Times, the Post and elsewhere, when he was hawking his story about his trip to Niger.

And these are the people Dick Armitage said Wilson was calling. Who else would he be calling?

And it’s highly probably that Wilson’s motivation for bringing up his wife is likely to have been exactly as Armitage suggested to Woodward. Wilson wanted to give his radically new and dangerous story more credibility.

He wanted to show that he was not just some untrustworthy "low-level guy" who had peaked in his career as an Ambassador to some godforsaken country nobody had ever heard of.

[Racerbvd]

June 14, 2003: Joe Wilson shared a podium with Ray McGovern as the keynote speaker at the very leftwing Education For Peace In Iraq Center. (Valerie was also in attendance.)

Let me just start out by saying, as a preface to what I really want to talk about, to those of you who are going out and lobbying tomorrow, I just want to assure you that that American ambassador who has been cited in reports in the New York Times and in the Washington Post, and now in the Guardian over in London, who actually went over to Niger on behalf of the government — not of the CIA but of the government — and came back in February of 2002 and told the government that there was nothing to this story, later called the government after the British white paper was published and said you all need to do some fact — checking and make sure the Brits aren’t using bad information in the publication of the white paper, and who called both the CIA and the State Department after the President’s State of the Union and said to them you need to worry about the political manipulation of intelligence if, in fact, the President is talking about Niger when he mentions Africa.

That person was told by the State Department that, well, you know, there’s four countries that export uranium. That person had served in three of those countries, so he knew a little bit about what he was talking about when he said you really need to worry about this.

But I can assure you that that retired American ambassador to Africa, as Nick Kristof called him in his article, is also pissed off, and has every intention of ensuring that this story has legs. And I think it does have legs. It may not have legs over the next two or three months, but when you see American casualties moving from one to five or to ten per day, and you see Tony Blair’s government fall because in the U.K. it is a big story, there will be some ramifications, I think, here in the United States, so I hope that you will do everything you can to keep the pressure on. Because it is absolutely bogus for us to have gone to war the way we did…

(Note that Ray McGovern is the head of the group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, whose mission is to cajole current and former intel workers to leak information to the press that would hurt national security and our military efforts abroad. A prominent member of VIPS, Larry Johnson, was a classmate of Valerie’s at the CIA, and claims to have been a friend with her ever since. Mr. Wilson has worked very closely with Ray McGovern and VIPS since at least this meeting.)

Of course Wilson was speaking of himself as a thinly disguised third person. He promised the audience that he would see to it that his mission to Niger story "would have legs."

And sure enough other newspaper articles began to appear, for which Mr. Wilson had been the obvious source.

[96740]

Originally Posted by legion

Let me guess:

"Boo hoo! Whoa is me! My life is ruined!" (My public-speaking fee is $500,000...)

+1

[JCF]

How does the revelation that Armitage was the source of the leak change the fact that Rove, Cheney , Scooter abused the power of the government to destroy a CIA operatives career (serving OUR United States of America) ?

Didn't King Georgy the 2nd also say that he plans on using his "retirement" giving speaches for lots of money ?

I say again - Too much.

Hey Racerunderwear - don't call me a liberal.
I'm as much a liberal as you are a fascist.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Armitage should be executed.

[Chocaholic]

Can she sing? Why else would you go see her? Perhaps she's doing some swimsuit modeling? Please explain what you're going to see exactly...

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by JCF

How does the revelation that Armitage was the source of the leak change the fact that Rove, Cheney , Scooter abused the power of the government to destroy a CIA operatives career (serving OUR United States of America) ?

Didn't King Georgy the 2nd also say that he plans on using his "retirement" giving speaches for lots of money ?

I say again - Too much.

Hey Racerunderwear - don't call me a liberal.
I'm as much a liberal as you are a fascist.

Destroyed her career??? Keep smoking what ever you are smoking.

She was an ANNALIST with an ax to grind!! If her hubby hadn't outed her, they wouldn't be making the money they are. President Bush, like other past presidents can earn money that way, if her hubby hadn't outed her, and the liberal pinning it on the Republicans, she would only have her government retirement. Why is it that liberals always deny who they are