How did FCC censorship get like this?
 

You can watch a man executed, you can see rape, murder, torture, drownings, whatever violent deaths you can imagine, all at primetime on broadcast television. But for some reason, a naked chick might be damaging to the psyche, so its not allowed. Oh, you can't say the f word or the c word either. Those might be damaging.

I personally am against all censorship, especially with the ratings system and parent blockers on tvs now. Also, I think it is a parent's job to take care of their kids.

BUT- even if you are a supporter of censoring out things on TV, how did Boobs and vagina get ahead of exploding skulls? It doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Educate me about the damage that a nipple could cause :confused:

The three networks get hosed. They can't put certain things on the airwaves, that the cable networks can. And if your like most americans, you get the big three networks and the cable channels on YOUR CABLE! Go figure.

Even on cable stations, it seems that boobs are bad. Why?!!?

I like boobs.

You guys need to come to Europe. No such problems on the tube here!

Government sucking up to prudish religious Xian types.

"Oh won't someone please think of the CHILDREN!!!!????!!!!????"

Yeah, my friend in Germany tells me all the time. People over there think we are nuts for this, and this is a rare case of me agreeing with them. Americans are nuts when it comes to naked chicks on tv- come on! More naked chicks on TV please!

Because it will give young men the wrong idea about women*, and rape cases will sky-rocket. Blame the feminists, too, since women aren't just "sex objects." No, they aren't sex objects, but they are objects...objects of art. Possibly the only thing more beautiful than a woman's body is a 62' Ferrari 250 GTO. And that's debatable.

*As if pop culture isn't already doing it. Just listen to rap music and see how women are portrayed.

You know what I hate......... I hate watching a really good movie and because of one stupid 60 second sex scene, I can't let my kids watch it.

Why can't Hollywood put a PG version of probably 75% of the movies out there, delete the 60 second scene and let our kids enjoy the movie too? I know there was a Christian company doing this years ago (10+/-), but they got sued and stopped.

Better yet, we could simply do away with the massive taboo that surrounds sex and naked people. That would really solve the problem. Europeans don't seem to have a problem with it...

Once dated a girl from Xian. She was kind of prudish. But that is China for you.

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/xian.htm

Ever watch the Sopranos reruns on A&E? Or the edited-for-tv versions of Casino and Goodfellas?

"Flip you, you bloodsucker!"

Yeah, that's how everyone talks in the real world. I'd be more worried about my kids copycatting such behavior and getting hazed for it in school than actually saying it the way it's said in the real world.

They got sued? I wonder if it had more to do with them not paying the owners of the movie properly or something, becuase it sounds like a good idea- they could sell the movie to more people and make more money.

With DVDs, wouldn't it be easy for you to skip over the offensive scenes while you watched with your kids?

Why is it so bad for kids to see nudity? Does anyone really make it to the age of 17 without having seen it elsewhere? Is there a single boy under 17 who has not found a porn mag stashed somewhere? Even before the Internet, I don't think this was possible.

This is one of my wife's biggest issue. You can see someone get their head blown off, but you can't see a breast. You can see simulated rape, but you can't see a breast. You can see torture, but let a breast get exposed and immediately there are fines, public apologies, etc.

Michael

Boobs are evil. Jesus sez so.

The sex-phobic society only seems to magnify the need for it in males.
It is a constantly repeated hint of a message which sells beer and cars in order to create an escapist fantasy mindset.
What is "banned" must be quite scarce and valuable, eh? A pre-wired rebel is always interested only in what is on the other side of the wall. Where are our eyes on a g-string cutie?

So then males desire "it" more, and females believe "it" is worth more, and much wasted time is spent around the final goal of "it": A moment of temporary satisfaction being viewed as the culmination of self-realization. Slave to instinctual reaction.

Meanwhile the basic human abilities of communication and relationship are downplayed as unessessary, so after the hormonal sex round (day/week/month) is over, there are females with high expectations and males with sexual boredom.
Neither partner has developed emotionally, and no emotional bond has taken place, so no common elements remain between the two.

Cultural stigma used to be significant when people in this country had close ties with their family and neightbors but no more.
So how to solve the mess? Divorce lawyers and paternety laws.
Exit long-term paring of mates, enter disposable people and society. Fear and greed.

On the international-economic level, this type of carrot-on-a-stick culture will prove to be a real time waster in terms of productive student/worker hours. We'll see.

If we allowed nudity on TV we would all start acting like Europeans. Ugghh. ;)
Seriously, violence is a big part of life and is necessary for survival. It is a very useful tool for tellnig the story of good vs. evil.
Nudity on TV or in movies does one thing, promotes lust.
You see boobies, you feel lust. If you didn't you wouldn't really care about seeing them so it would be a non-issue.

Watching violence does not necesarily make you feel violent, but nudity makes you feel lustful.
Lust is one of the 7 deadly sins, violence is not.

Um, without nudity and sex...there IS no life...it IS survival.

I guess I need to see someone's head crushed in a vice until their eyeballs pop out of their skull to realize the difference between good and bad. Oh wait, that movie was Casino, and the guy who got his head crushed was a card counter or something, and the guy who put his head in a vice is murderer.

Tell me again, which one of them is "good" and which is "bad?"

Weak argument man.

No way was it possible! I remember somebody, somehow, would come across a porn. This porn would then be stashed somewhere, and every kid in a 5 mile radius quickly would learn where this porn was. I remember the very first porn mag I saw. We found it stashed in a basement window well, right where we heard it was. It was two chicks naked, sitting together on a concrete wall.

I was confused by this, but one of the other kids cleared things up for me-

"They pee on each other's hands and rub it on their privates. They pretend to make babies with each other."

Me- "Oh. Of COURSE!"

We had it all figured out :p

That argument would explain it only if you lived in a Theocracy.

Oh wait...

Wait 'till the FCC starts editing the Bible.......

Yeah- Adam & Eve totally need clothes on. Without clothes, they would be naked!

Violence is in fact included in "Wrath"

Wrath (Latin, ira)

Main articles: Wrath (anger, hatred, rage)

Wrath may be described as inordinate and uncontrolled feelings of hatred and anger. These feelings can manifest as vehement denial of the truth, both to others and in the form of self-denial, impatience with the procedure of law, and the desire to seek revenge outside of the workings of the justice system (such as engaging in vigilantism) and generally wishing to do evil or harm to others. The transgressions borne of vengeance are among the most serious, including murder, assault, and in extreme cases, genocide. (See Crimes against humanity.) Wrath is the only sin not necessarily associated with selfishness or self interest (although one can of course be wrathful for selfish reasons, such as jealousy). Dante described vengeance as "love of justice perverted to revenge and spite".

Again, you're wrong.

Sounds like the beginning of a limerick.

"There once was a lady from Xian,
whose parents were both European. . ."

"She liked to suck face,

while pretending to be chaste...."

and on her friend's hands she was peein'..

I am immensely proud of what this thread has become!

*sniff* brings a tear to my eye.

The "sanitization" of movies is quite chilling to me. Here you guys talk about "freedom" but you think it is ok to change/censor art?

If you want to track the downfall of civilizations, look at how the government dealt with art (yes, tv qualifies...broad definition).

The censorship has deep roots in the puritanical nature of this country. And fear. Lots of fear. And guilt. Sex is great for guilt which is great for controlling people. I wish there was the same amount of guilt around violence...

I'd say tv regs have only gotten looser with time. Imagine watching Law & Order or Married With Children back in the days of The Fugitive or Leave it to Beaver. Desperate Housewives in the age of Father Knows Best. Unimagineable. It's gotten a lot easier to get away with stuff on tv since those days.

Even so, NippleGate was only what? 3 years ago?

The regulations were getting looser and looser until NippleGate, then all of the sudden, you could not show a chick's naked butt on network tv any more. It doesn't make sense.

Fondle a naked breast in a Movie = NC17 or X

Cut off naked breast in a movie = PG13 to R

Sad but true.

Nudity is so taboo in this country and extreme violence is just dandy.


This has been discussed before and someone made a great analogy. Which would you prefer your kid to see in real life, a naked breast or even one further seeing to people have sex or someone being beat to death or cut to pieces?

I myself prefer to see the nudity/sex over mutilation murder and I think I would want my kid to see the same.

I am sure some one will blurt out the answer neither!!

NippleGate got fined because it was specifically planned during primetime, when everyone involved knew it would not have been allowed if it had been announced beforehand. Why would anyone wear a tassle over their boob if they weren't planning on showing it off? I'm far more outraged by what the Superbowl calls halftime entertainment than anything else. Do diehard football fans also follow Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake? You might be able to drag me to a football game, though I would hate it. You absolutely could not drag me or any football fan I know to see Janet and Justin perform.

Why is everyone saying the answer is to allow anything on TV? Why not do the sensible thing and cut back on the violence?

Personally my kids don't watch TV at all, at least not live. We tivo shows for them on Noggin or the Disney Channel and that's it. If they want to watch a DVD movie it gets previewed first. You seriously just can't risk having the TV on at all, who knows what is going to flash on the screen at any given time.

I was watching Cheech N Chong movies (amongst other films) when I was 9 or 10 years old. But I had my parents right there to explain anything. I knew it was "dirty", but it wasn't hidden from me. So I was never over curious and trying to sneak things.

You're a good parent for watching stuff <i>with</i> your kids. Good for you. I wouldn't be afraid when a sex scene pops up, kids are smarter than most of us give them credit for.

Now for the stupid nanny crap state FCC, screw them.

Oh please everybody. Get cable or go rent some porn. The FFC some puritanical, controlling organization? Just broad community standards, loosly applied. Still not happy? Go Brazil for a year. Plently of sex and violence and all the rest.

Lets try to keep it on topic, in that this isn't an FCC bashing thread per se, but rather a question of why its ok to show someone get their eye shot out, but not show a naked chick riding a horse.

American TV is crap. The use of sex is stupid and the use of violence is stupid. Puerile and banally tritely pedantically boorish. "Oooh look, Dennis Franz' bare butt, how cutting-edge." "Oooh, a swear word, how gritty. Great writing." It all sucks.

It's not about wanting to see sex on public TV. It's saying why is it OK to have mutilation, rape, murder, etc. But not OK to have breast.

My vote is for taming the violence. Sorry, but I have a 3 and 5 year old. How do I explain violence to them when they see it. And don't say, you can just turn it off. You can't. It's everywhere. Friends houses who don't have kids and don't get it. Department stores. Everywhere. I don't want to shield my kids from the world. But I do want to introduce them to concepts at a point where the brains can comprehend, evaluate, and understand.

If you had kids and saw them act out something they just saw on TV, you would get it.

Michael

"Ok sheriff, we're gonna f*ck ya now, but we're gonna f*ck ya slow..."