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tabs 11-29-2007 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by charleskieffner (Post 3613827)
man that was GOOD! too damn funny! LMFAO!

58 in a 35..............big damn deal!

heres what i would do with also a STELLAR(knock on wood) RECORD...........

plead not guilty. this puts it off for awhile. bone up on legal beagle angles. come trial day its a crap shoot for cop to show up. maybe yes maybe no. day before trial date call in sick, call in your going out of town fer biz. some stupid excuse.

this now brings a continuance of yer trial date. another month or so. this time the cop will either show or no show.

if he shows be prepared to have 8 x 10 glossys w/picture/arrow on back of each one, showing direction you were traveling, exact street, blah blah, time of day. make up some stupid lines basically you could not be traveling that speed at that time of day in that type of traffic.

now go over to TRE or whomever you deal w/there and get a receipt showing you had your speedo calibrated. show this to judge.

at this point explain yer STELLAR RECORD in your car to the judge.

now the finale..................ask the cop where his calibration is for his speedo/radar/death ray lazer beam that he clocked you with. 9 times out of 10 hes so pissed having to show again they forget all the documents.

case dismissed. and you have juan pissed off cop that will be looking fer yer kind. solution: avoid that area for awhile.

they expect you to belly up and pay. they do not expect you to contest it. i have fought every single ticket i have gotten over 34 years since i was 16. and im running damn near 99% on getting out of them.............well ditching the cop on my YAM IT-175 didnt sit too well and i kinda got bent over on that one. i was 18, what can i say????? i was drunk!

Yes DD do follow Charlies advice and you WILL be doing a bit in SQ....and learning the joys of cornholing.

tabs 11-29-2007 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dd74 (Post 3613741)
Thanks, guys. This is all good advice. I'm gearing up to just pay the fine. Motion's advice about dragging the cop into court on everyone's dime was something I didn't consider. I don't think that's fair to anyone. Pleading deferred adjudication/deferred disposition will be about as far as I take it just to see what happens. Wish me luck when the time comes. SmileWavy

Geezus with passivity like this U will undoubtedly be voted cornhole queen of the cell block.

911teo 11-29-2007 03:24 AM
Dave

sorry you got caught.

You are the only one to know whether it was fair or not. If it was fair then I would pay for the tix and move on.

If it wasn't I'd fight it in court.

If it was me then my next 100 tix will be fair. From Wayne's reply it looks like you got away with murder before...

Do the right thing, for yourself.

KFC911 11-29-2007 04:03 AM
With all due respect to those who say "do the right thing", traffic tix are a revenue "shakedown", and it's not about safety at all imo. Why should the insurance companies collect a windfall to boot? I'm not a proponent of unsafe speeding, but sometimes the posted speeds border on ridiculous, not to mention the LEO's selective enforcement of some laws. Contact an attorney and at a minimum, get it reduced to save points...it's most definitely a "game" and you should play it smart.

Shaun @ Tru6 11-29-2007 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 3614298)
Geezus with passivity like this U will undoubtedly be voted cornhole queen of the cell block.

How do you get coffee out of keyboard!? OMG that's funny.

911teo 11-29-2007 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 3614345)
With all due respect to those who say "do the right thing", traffic tix are a revenue "shakedown", and it's not about safety at all imo. Why should the insurance companies collect a windfall to boot? I'm not a proponent of unsafe speeding, but sometimes the posted speeds border on ridiculous, not to mention the LEO's selective enforcement of some laws. Contact an attorney and at a minimum, get it reduced to save points...it's most definitely a "game" and you should play it smart.
All you say is true. And I am the 1st to exceed the speed limit when I deem it safe.

But it's the law. If you speed you know you are going against the law and you should face the consequneces.

There are a lot of other laws that are questionable but I do not think we can choose which ones to adhere to and which ones not to observe.

KFC911 11-29-2007 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 911teo (Post 3614389)
...But it's the law. If you speed you know you are going against the law and you should face the consequneces....
I thought the consequences were that you went to court and "played the game" :). I know one thing Matteo, I couldn't afford to drive your cars here in the states more than a time or two...I don't see how you did it in Charlotte! I absolutely concur with not speeding in residential areas, etc., but sometimes the posted limits are WAY out of whack...just watching the "traffic flow" is clear evidence of that (and selective enforcement).

911teo 11-29-2007 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 3614433)
......I don't see how you did it in Charlotte! I absolutely concur with not speeding in residential areas, etc., but sometimes the posted limits are WAY out of whack...just watching the "traffic flow" is clear evidence of that (and selective enforcement).
I totally agree.

As per Charlotte... I hit triple digit speeds on Independence blvd on a few occasions (in the GT it's only 2nd gear).
My point is that every time I got caught (3 times) I knew I was going above the speed limit, and not by the traffic flow margin.

A 35mph zone is clearly within the city limits. There is no need to go 60mph. If you do (and again I am the last one to pass judgement as I myself do it) pay up.

I see it as the price to play the game.

As long as you do it safely the officers are usually understanding.

KFC911 11-29-2007 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 911teo (Post 3614463)
...As long as you do it safely the officers are usually understanding.
That's for sure! I've paid my share over the years, but I've had the LEO let me go with a warning more times than I can count. I'm from the south, and "yes sir/ma'm" are part of how we talk, but I simply can't "YES SIR/NO SIR" enough when talking to a LEO. Didn't work a few months ago with the cute thing who wrote me up for 58 in a 45 (on Business I-40) however :(. I did go to court and got it reduced to 5 over however...you know, "the game" :)

gprsh924 11-29-2007 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 911teo (Post 3614463)
As long as you do it safely the officers are usually understanding.
In my personal experience I did not find that to be the case. I was doing 49 in a 35 and got tagged just before (literally withing 50 yards) of where the limit jumped up to 45. I was in the middle of a line of cars spaced out a few hundred yards from each other, all of whom had been driving at the same pace for a solid mile. The officer was nice enough to agree that no, I probably wasn't really looking at my speedometer, nor was I driving in an unsafe manner, and yes I was moving with the flow of traffic. That was right before he said, "Well, I am going to go ahead and give you a ticket."

Seriously????

Honestly, I probably deserve A speeding ticket, because I have a pretty heavy foot. However, I did not deserve THAT ticket. But, I was 17 and driving a red Porsche, and the other cars near me were mini-vans and sedans.

911teo 11-29-2007 05:59 AM
So that is an unfair ticket and I would fight it.

As I said earlier only Dave DD74 knows if he deserved the tix or not.

Most of my tickets are well deserved. If that is the case I pay and move on.

Still I found that the officers were always understanding with me. Once I got caught at 80 in a 35, just before a great turn I was getting ready to nail.... The officer was in a car coming the other way... as soon as I saw him I knew he'd turn around.

I thought I was done. He came over and apologized for stopping me. He said the car looked like fun and he suggested me I joined the "Sports cars of America" club and take the car to the race track. He gave me 44 in a 35 and $100.

Maybe he lied to me saying I was doing 80 and he had no chance of proving that. I certainly was not looking at the speedo, but was surely going above 35.

I fully deserved that ticket and I was thankful he reduced it to 44. I would have not fought it in any case.

It looks like your situation is completely different.

I believe speed limits are sometimes a joke. But I also believe that when u speed you are breaking the law and you should assume your responsibility.

Like going through a red light in the middle of the night when nobody is around. If you get caught you pay.

gprsh924 11-29-2007 06:03 AM
I agree, unfortunately at the time, that was not an option for me, but I will do it on any future ticket.

IROC 11-29-2007 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by motion (Post 3613552)
Sorry, but 58 in a 35 is hauling a$$. You deserve a hefty fine. My advice, which you asked for, is to be a responsible person and not try and weasel out of it. In other words, take your lumps and learn.
I don't think one can judge the relative "danger" of doing 58 in a 35 zone without taking into account the circumstances. There are plenty of roads around here that are 35 mph where doing 58 is perfectly safe. I drive into work every day on a straight four lane road that is about 4 miles long with an airport on one side and cotton fields on the other. No driveways entering, no kids chasing balls and you can see for miles. The posted speed limit is 50 mph. Flow of traffic (what little there is - maybe two or three cars per 4 mile stretch) is about 70 mph and perfectly safe. 23 over (73 mph) is perfectly safe.

Having said that, I would pay the ticket. You broke the law and got caught. You potentially weren't impacting the safety of anyone around you, etc., but the fact is your actions were against the law. Pure revenue generation, most likely, but that's the way it is. BTDT.

Jeff Higgins 11-29-2007 06:25 AM
Highway 99 runs north and south through Everett and Seattle; right through the heart of both cities. In between lies Lynnwood, where I live. Hwy 99 is bordered by businesses on both sides, in a solid unending block, down its entire length. There are traffic lights every block or less. Driveways into and out of the businesses and business parks, cross streets galore, suicide turn lane down the middle, and the speed limit is 50-55 all along that highway.

Out in rural Snohomish county, the speed limit on many of the country roads is 35. Some go as high as 45. These are lonely roads with driveways spaced miles apart in places, cross streets even further. Well paved with good visibility. Yet out here, we are only "safe" at 35 mph, while along one of the busiest stretches of urban highway, we are "safe" at 20 mph faster.

Now guess where the speed traps are. I can go ripping through one of the most heavily populated, highest traffic density areas around at over 50 mph absolute with impunity because some little white sign says it's "safe" to do so. Yet if I do that same 50+ in the middle of bum fuch nowhere, I'm being "unsafe". The whole "traffic safety" argument seems to fall apart pretty easily when viewed in this light.

motion 11-29-2007 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by IROC (Post 3614551)
I don't think one can judge the relative "danger" of doing 58 in a 35 zone without taking into account the circumstances. There are plenty of roads around here that are 35 mph where doing 58 is perfectly safe. I drive into work every day on a straight four lane road that is about 4 miles long with an airport on one side and cotton fields on the other. No driveways entering, no kids chasing balls and you can see for miles. The posted speed limit is 50 mph. Flow of traffic (what little there is - maybe two or three cars per 4 mile stretch) is about 70 mph and perfectly safe. 23 over (73 mph) is perfectly safe.

Having said that, I would pay the ticket. You broke the law and got caught. You potentially weren't impacting the safety of anyone around you, etc., but the fact is your actions were against the law. Pure revenue generation, most likely, but that's the way it is. BTDT.
Mike and others, it doesn't matter if the speed is safe or the posted limit is too low. What matters is that in this case, it really is a gross violation of the law. 58 in a 35 is not the same as 45 in a 35. Over and over again, people demonstrate that they are incapable of good judgement. Our speed laws exist for these people, to protect your family against people who cannot judge what is safe for the situation. I speed every day, to some extent. 5-10 mph over the posted limit. I consider that to be minor, as I am a relatively skilled driver with good, well-maintained equipment beneath me. The same cannot be said for most other people on the road. I HATE government hand-holding, but speed limits are one of the things that protect me from irresponsible people on the road who have nothing to lose.

Shaun @ Tru6 11-29-2007 06:45 AM
Living in MN, TX, CT, MA, NY, and driving extensively in CA, I've never seen a 35 where the maximum safe speed is more than 45.

Steve Carlton 11-29-2007 06:55 AM
In California, radar enforcement is not allowed unless the road has been surveyed within a reasonable time frame and the speed limit set accordingly. I'm not sure, but I think that limit is based on the 85th percentile, which is reasonable.

charleskieffner 11-29-2007 07:27 AM
forgot to add..............bring your passport and present it along with current registration , license, insurance.

that in itself will FLOOR THEM!

Rikao4 11-29-2007 07:48 AM
Pay it..as for the Cop showing up. Here in TX, that is not required on his part ..you request a trial..then he has to show.
I'm with Teo on this..play sensible or have $$.
Running thru a curve a few yrs, back..LEO ahead..had me ..controlled stop in front of his car...never started his lights..nice driving..slow down, have a nice day.
Rika

daepp 11-29-2007 08:03 AM
As far as the price of the ticket, it is what it is. Don't do the crime if you can;t pay the fine. Complaining about the amount of the fine after the fact is useless.

I'm telling you - with such a long standing good driving record, plead guilty and ask for a waiver fr traffic school. The judge is absolutely allowed to exercise...judgment. Explain the situation, fall on your sword, explain you're willingness to pay your debt to society, and get that waiver!!!


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