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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 3634777)

Sez you..(some will dispute you). Umm..."the folks" - you mean "them people"?

Find the definition that shows they're not and there might be something to talk about... with someone to whom what race one happens to be is any kind of significant factor (race, to me, pertains to nothing more than skin color - pretty simple minded approach, huh?).

Ever heard of logic? Look that up! I say they're from the moon. Prove they're not! Since you appear to be so pitifully ignorant on this subject, or your level of political correctness has filtered out all the fact, here's a link that may help.

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.genom.5.061903.175920?cookieSet=1&journalC ode=genom

Once operation wet BACK is over, we can get on to more important things like operation wet FRONT!
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Originally Posted by mikez (Post 3624485)

Constitutional amendment, repeal the automatic citizenship of anyone born on US soil if BOTH parents do not have the legal right to be here.

As I understand the law, if a bomb bearing pregnant female Muslim terrorist on a plane in U.S. air space was thwarted from detonating and dropped a kid while being handcuffed, the kid is automatically a U.S. citizen - go figure.

Do it quckly before there is enough to outvote us.....

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3624522)

In the Los Angeles public school system, over 70% of all students enrolled are hispanic or Latino.
Less than 10% are caucasion.

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Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena (Post 3627676)

It's "caucasian" and virtually all Latino's ARE caucasian ...just like Greeks, and Italians, and the French.

Sammy says that since you're a 70 percenter Dan, you are not a caucasian.

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Originally Posted by NE Ohio 911 (Post 3632784)

That's beautiful Byron. Maybe you want to look at your family tree to see how you got here. No room for bigots or racists in my opinion.

Get real; there's obviously LOTS of room here.

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3633109)

PC first last & always huh Dan? If you think the Aztec, Mayan or Inca bloodlines of the reconquistas are caucasian, you might want to spend a little time looking into A. History & B. Genetics.

Is being PC a pretty common trait amongst you non-caucasians Dan?

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 3633545)

And you might spend a little time looking into a dictionary:

Dictionary 1. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as very light to brown skin pigmentation and straight to wavy or curly hair, and including peoples indigenous to Europe, northern Africa, western Asia, and India. No longer in scientific use.

Dictionary 2. designating or of one of the major geographical varieties of human beings, including peoples of Europe, Africa, the Near East, India, etc., who are generally characterized by tall stature, straight or wavy hair, etc.: loosely called the white race although it embraces many peoples of dark skin color.

Or are dictionaries too PC for you?

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3634687)

No, they definitions just don't apply to the folks we're talking about. Find the definition that shows where native central & south Americans are Caucasian & we'll talk. Geeez!

Carefully read the red words in the dictionary definitions above.

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3634767)

Go ahead, do your spin (Dan). Your constant arguments against stopping illegal immigration shows us that you are more than willing to turn California into another Mexican state and that you look forward to it. Would you mind explaining your motivation?

Dan, I'd appreciate your making those arguments clearer - I always read your posts and you're just not getting that across to me (I admit that I'm a somewhat thickheaded caucasion).

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3634780)

Maybe you should try reading AND comprehending before accusing someone of racism. You owe him an apology.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1197224385.jpg
By all means read this charming poster. It is very revealing.

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3634869)

Ever heard of logic? Look that up! I say they're from the moon. Prove they're not! Since you appear to be so pitifully ignorant on this subject, or your level of political correctness has filtered out all the fact, here's a link that may help.

Ah yes, logic. Dan says he's caucasian; prove he's not.

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.genom.5.061903.175920?cookieSet=1&journalC ode=genom

Do you ever get to FL, I want to do shots of Jager with you:D

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 3635506)

Do you ever get to FL, I want to do shots of Jager with you:D

HAHA! Hey, been a long time since I been to that sand spit. Them bad ass good ol' boys stilll buryin' 'em 12" deep? Next time I get by I'll buy the first round - could be entertaining :D.

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3635805)

BUT, there are apparently plenty of jobs, and thus demand, and so no one really sees a need to do this (yet).Wayne

That's my take exactly and what I meant by saying that the problem WILL be resolved. Blue and red, same problem for both camps.

If looked at strictly geographically, disregarding national borders, we and the Canadians are the "haves" and the Mexicans are the "have nots": there's nothing at all new, surprising or unreasonable for people who have not to want to have. They don't see our border as anything other than an unpleasant impediment to their getting to the jobs that WE have to give to them.

True, there are criminals and trouble makers among them - as there are among any people. The majority are not and are just here to work.

As long as there are jobs to allow them to have more, of course they will come to work those jobs. We can hardly, with clear conscience, cast the blame on the illegals for taking advantage of what this country clearly continues to offer them (while profiting handsomely by paying meager wages).

Violence towards them, angry name calling and racial bigotry are totally non-productive and meaningless to those for whom putting food in their and their families mouths are all that really matters.

This ain't easy and this ain't pleasant to anyone, but, this is what it is for now.

The reason they don't see our border as anything more than an unpleasant impediment is because that's all we made it. If it was an actual barrier, things would change. I understand you guys in CA have been dealing with this for years. If you're happy with it, great! There are many Americans who see our culture as a major benefit of living in America and don't care for the illegal influence of the third world and their culture.

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3636174)

The reason they don't see our border as anything more than an unpleasant impediment is because that's all we made it.

I fully agree with you and that is, in my opinion, to put it mildly, unconscionable and is OUR fault for not enforcing the laws that have been on the books for years before this invasion (which it has become, analogous to an annual number of flu cases increasing to become an epidemic) reached the level that it has.

If it was an actual barrier, things would change. I understand you guys in CA have been dealing with this for years.

Yes we have, as have all our border states.

If you're happy with it, great!

If you suspect that I (and probably 99.9% of U.S. citizens and others who are in this country legally) am, you are ignorantly mistaken.

There are many Americans who see our culture as a major benefit of living in America...

And I suspect that probably 99.9% of U.S. citizens and others who in this country legally certainly do.

Incidentally (and CERTAINLY you MUST know this!), "our culture" always has been, is now, and always will be, a "melting pot" of many cultures, third world and otherwise.

Assimilation of these cultures into the overall fabric of OUR multifaceted culture has always taken time, and always will. And it is often a painfully unpleasant process - but, and this is but one example of why this country of ours is great, it has ALWAYS worked in the end.

...and don't care for the illegal influence...

Of course not - that's stating the obvious, don't you think?

of the third world and their culture.

Again, bear in mind, other cultures, third world cultures included, eventually melt into and become part of ours. "Third World" is defined as
1. The developing nations of Africa, Asia, and Latin American.
2. Minority groups as a whole within a larger prevailing culture.,
neither of which is intrinsically "bad".

When I was a kid in Ohio most people railed against the dirt poor "goddamn dumb, dirty hillbillies" who emigrated there from W. Virginia, Kentucky and yes, Tennessee, for factory jobs and a better life. And they railed against the "filthy spics' from Puerta Rica who came to work the flower fields for less than minimum wage and lived in obscenely substandard shacks provided by the wealthy growers on their property. I was disturbed by the racism and bigotry as a child (I must have been precocious because the family I grew up in had the same racist and bigotted perspective as others) and I'm disturbed by it now.

But those were "simpler" times and eventually acculturization occured.

These are indeed much more complicated times and common sense dictates that things are out of control and must be dealt with for the benefit of all. Simply railing against the victims of our lack of border enforcement is ineffective and unhealthy for our national psyche. Rather we should vent our spleen on our own elected government officials to get off their overpaid fat asses and take care of our country's business.

I dis-agree that the times are more complicated. I also disagree with your comparison to previous immigrants. First, previous immigrants were by and large, legal immigrants, and second, I don't recall any of them saying they had a more legitimate claim to the USA than America does. Third, they assimilated, this is far different than the re-conquista approach of this wave of illegal immigrants.

Today, residents of Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina and Georgia, rail against, damn Yankees, who emigrated here from their rust-belt area homes & brought their poor manners & rudeness with them. Your point is?

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3636455)

Your point is?

Missed.

quote: "These are indeed much more complicated times and common sense dictates that things are out of control and must be dealt with for the benefit of all. Simply railing against the victims of our lack of border enforcement is ineffective and unhealthy for our national psyche. Rather we should vent our spleen on our own elected government officials to get off their overpaid fat asses and take care of our country's business."

I'm just curious as to who you see as the vicitims as you've mentioned?

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3636455)

Ah yes, the umentioned dispute gets mentioned. You see, up until 1840s California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Utah, Nevada, and parts of Colorado were part of Mexico. That is what sets these immigrants (legal and otherwise) apart from previous waves. You say they don't have a more legitimate claim to those US areas than we do. You say we won that territory fair and square in a war and treaty (of Guadalupe Hidalgo). I agree with you. Even though that treaty was negotiated while the US Army occupied Mexico City.

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Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 3635390)

Very interesting link. Would the below excerpt lead you to conclude that Native Americans, for example, are Asians?

"Native Americans show greater genetic similarity to populations in east central Asia than they do to the current easternmost Siberian populations."

Regardless of what anyone might conclude, the article says that genetically, Native Americans bear a closer resemblance to Asians than say, the formerly known as Caucasian, Northern Europeans.

Incidentally, nowhere in the article did I see the word "caucasian" used. I suspect that's because the word is "No longer in scientific use."

Seeing as how I am writing on a forum, not in a scientific journal, the fact that the word Caucasian is not currently in scientific favor, in no way affects my ability to use it in a descriptive sense. If fact, in this particular instance, I think it did a fine job of conveying the concept in question. If you'd like to critique my grammar or punctuation maybe you'll have more amusement.:)

Cheer up! The border travesty WILL be resolved, but sadly not soon enough.

SmileWavy

People of Hispanic descent can be mixed Black, Brown, Islander indigenous "Indian" or 100% Caucasian. Remember the Spaniards (for the most part are Caucasian Euros) mixed with lots of folks on their worldwide adventures.

Seems everyone blurs the lines. When you ask a Mexican, Honduran, Ecuadorian, etc what they “are” they’ll likely answer “Spanish”…..when the only Spanish connection they may have is the language.

I also support the abolition of the anchor baby law.

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Originally Posted by RickM (Post 3636845)

I also support the abolition of the anchor baby law.

That ain't no law... that's the 14th amendment.

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Originally Posted by chrisf (Post 3636787)

Yeah, I should have expressed that differently, i.e., should have included us U.S. citizens, excepting those who hold the carrots out on sticks to draw the Mexicans over here to work for them at slave labor wages because they are either unable or unwilling to pay wages that will atract those who are here legally to those jobs.

Take away those carrots on sticks, enforce the existing laws re manning and enforcing our borders and I suspect the problem would be, for the most part, solved.

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Originally Posted by DanL911sc (Post 3636876)

That ain't no law... that's the 14th amendment.

Ahhh, who cares? ABOLISH IT ANYHOW!
CAUCASHIUN POWUH!!
Hey, how 'bout them big red letters, huh? Do them 'spress anger 'n outrage or what?! :D

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Originally Posted by DanL911sc (Post 3636876)

That ain't no law... that's the 14th amendment.

Ok, I support legislation to exclude these children from being granted citizenship.

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Originally Posted by RickM (Post 3636928)

Ok, I support legislation to exclude these children from being granted citizenship.

Hmmm... been awhile since civics, huh? You'll have to repeal the 14th amendment to make that change.

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Originally Posted by 14th Amendment

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

You can try to shoehorn a law through that "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" verbiage, but I think you'll find it very difficult.

Oh, and I'll say it again in case anyone is still listening. It's a red herring! --->

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U.S.-born children cannot, however, sponsor their parents for immigration to the United States until reaching adulthood, and illegal immigrant parents do not gain any additional legal rights based solely on the fact that they have had a child born in the U.S.

The "anchor baby" argument is a meaningless distraction!! It makes no difference! Everyone go back to talking about how walls stop people from moving from one place to another all the time and taking great pains to illustrate the vast and significant differences between a legal Mexican immigrant and an illegal Mexican immigrant. Go on... I'm waiting...

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3636174)

What we got here is, cognitive dissonance - having the law set up one way, and acting another way in terms of enforcing it. I think most Americans would disagree with overturning or doing away with the actual laws that make illegal immigration, well, ILLEGAL. But, as Wayne pointed out, so many in power profit financially or politically by its ongoing occurence, that the status quo seems unlikely to change.

The people need to speak up and be heard, and the laws enforced. Conceptually, sounds simple. As far as execution...well, I am not holding my breath.

As someone observed earlier with sarcasm, it is funny how the use of the military to defend the borders could possibly be construed as less appropriate than sitting in occupation in Iraq, a world away.

Uh, DanL, the "anchor baby" factor has little or nothing to do with these babies sponsoring their illegal parents for citizenship. The ICE has a stated policy of not deporting illegals who have US citizen children that would be left w/o parents if the parents were deported. Once illegal Mexicans drop a child here, (at US taxpayer expense), they are *home free* in terms of being able to stay here indefinitely and working for cash, tax-free, while sending $$ out of the US which will never return. I believe that the total figure is in the 10s of billions.

Most adult illegals could care less about US citizenship, they only care about being able to stay here indefinitely and their children's US citizenship. You live in LA and really don't understand this? Where on earth do you get your info, boy? Some policy paper from LaRaza or Berkley? Jeesus...:rolleyes: