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Komenda Fan 12-13-2007 08:58 AM

Another defection from the 997GT3RSR
 
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071206/FREE/71206001/1531/FREE

Tafel racing is the latest to defect from Porsche to the Ferrari F430 in the ALMS. Now I love that Ferrari everybit as much as I do the RSR, but I am starting to worry that at this rate, the RSR won't make future ALMS grids. I don't have a suggestion except for Porsche working harder to develop a competitive car, as I would hate to see ALMS go the route of restrictors to even the cars up.

I hope Porsche has some tricks up their sleeve to make the RSR competitive again. I know they came in second in GT2, but there never really was any doubt that Rizi Competizione was going to win the series.

Mule 12-13-2007 09:05 AM

A good friend of mine was part of the Taffel crew. I heard this some time ago. Know what he says is making the Ferrari dominant? V8 power.

jeffgrant 12-13-2007 09:11 AM

That's too bad... I sure hope the engineers at Porsche get it all figured out soon...

And I thought the ALMS already uses restrictors. We got a tour of the Lizzards paddock a couple of years ago and they showed us the "new" restrictors that they were allowed to run.

kstar 12-13-2007 09:13 AM

What about the V10? Wasn't the CGT originally intended to be some type of racer? What happened to that?

Best,

Kurt

Noah930 12-13-2007 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 3642948)
What about the V10? Wasn't the CGT originally intended to be some type of racer? What happened to that?

Oooh. Imagine that. Carrera GTs racing against Enzos? But if you were a team boss, would you trust Tomas Enge in one of those machines?

Superman 12-13-2007 09:30 AM

If Porsche were determined to clobber these guys, then we'd see a return to the finishes we saw in the 1980's. Think about a Cayman with a V-10.........

Noah930 12-13-2007 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman (Post 3642990)
Think about a Cayman with a V-10.........

Based upon current Porsche marketing philosophy, I think there's a better likelihood of seeing a return to the GT1 concept from the late '90s, than of a hotrod Cayman.

kstar 12-13-2007 09:37 AM

Like a mid-engine V10 997?

:D

Best,

Kurt

Noah930 12-13-2007 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstarnes (Post 3643012)
Like a mid-engine V10 997?

:D

Best,

Kurt


You got it, baby. Where's the drooly smilie?

sketchers356 12-13-2007 09:46 AM

I really hope that the 998 has a V8.

HardDrive 12-13-2007 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman (Post 3642990)
If Porsche were determined to clobber these guys, then we'd see a return to the finishes we saw in the 1980's. Think about a Cayman with a V-10.........

+1000

Get it done. The Cayman is the future of Porsche racing.

Jeff Higgins 12-13-2007 10:41 AM

ALMS "levels the field" with intake restrictors and added weight. It is anything but "heads up" racing. In such an environment, the sanctioning body decides who wins and by how much. Remember the last time Porsche won Daytona with a GT car, and the smaller tanks along with added weight and rev limiters they got for their trouble. Different sanctioning body, but same approach. Porsche is already making noise that they may not return next year in P2, if ALMS severely restricts the RS Spyder in an effort to keep the R8 out front. So, could the current RSR beat the Ferrari? Sure, if the ALMS wants it to. Will the next, improved Porsche beat Ferrari? Only if ALMS wants it to.

Rikao4 12-13-2007 11:01 AM

so ..
their not racing really..for TV & spectators maybe..
outcome has been decided..

Rika

legion 12-13-2007 11:07 AM

I'd like to say a racing Cayman, but they are probably afraid it will hurt 911 sales. (Did the 914, which was raced, hurt 911 sales?)

But Jeff is right, the "rules" determine the winners.

Rikao4 12-13-2007 11:11 AM

But the Porsche Co. of old..did just just that...
beating them at their own games, now it's
past glories & profits

Rika

legion 12-13-2007 11:16 AM

Porsche has long been a master of exploiting racing rules to build a superior car. Heck, the RS Spyder is just the most recent example.

They also have a long history of being slapped down by sanctioning bodies who wanted someone else to win.

tsiegwart 12-13-2007 11:16 AM

I read an article in RACER last summer about "Peterson White Lightning Racing" and how they switched from the 997 in 2006 to the 430 in 2007.

What they described as the real advantage was the better (ie. easier and more forgiving) handling of the 430. They believed straight line speed was about the same between the 2. I think the engine packages are comparable. It's the chassis that needs to be improved to be more competitive.

Rory Mckenna 12-13-2007 11:39 AM

It's stuff like this that makes me mad as hell.. Porsche use to be a POWER HOUSE in motorsport.. what the HELL is going on!? Sure they make a ice GT3/RS/RSR. but they need to get with the F*cking programand make a damn race car that win the GT class again! there is NO excuse for this crap!

Dantilla 12-13-2007 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rory Mckenna (Post 3643246)
It's stuff like this that makes me mad as hell.. Porsche use to be a POWER HOUSE in motorsport.. what the HELL is going on!? Sure they make a ice GT3/RS/RSR. but they need to get with the F*cking programand make a damn race car that win the GT class again! there is NO excuse for this crap!

While I want to see Porsches on the podium, loosing to Ferrari is not an embarassment. They have a long, rich history of of winning races, just as Porsche does.

Also, it's not like the Ferraris are totally crushing the competition, like the 917 did to them back in the early '70's.

Loosing to Kia would be a different story.

Rikao4 12-13-2007 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantilla (Post 3643255)

Also, it's not like the Ferraris are totally crushing the competition, like the 917 did to them back in the early '70's.

.

this 2007 / 8, what you did in the middleages is good for Posters,pics ..
for Porsche to wobbling/falling in the GT class is SAD, Le Mans...belongs to Audi..don't know why the others show up..sloppy seconds and third.
917 was Porsche...the Spyder while great ..took to long , Acura will soon spank it anyway..
oh and Pontiac..that evil american car co. has handed Porsche it's panties several times.
Rika


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