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WI wide body 01-03-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KaptKaos (Post 3681925)
None of them float my boat either. I'd prefer Obama to Hillary, because at least I "think" I know where he stands on things. Hillary does that whole triangulation thing they did when Bill was in office and Hillary never answers the tough questions directly. Russert, Mathews or O'Reilly would chew her up and spit her out given the chance, and since she can't handle those formats, she never goes on, which is really bad for our nation as a whole. Our leaders, and those trying to lead, need to be able to handle the tough questions. Avoiding them, like she does, disqualifies her for high office in my opinion.

As for Obama, here is a short list (only short right now because I need to go to bed):

Immigration
Border enforcement
"War on Terror" (In quotes for reasons we can discuss later)
Health Care
Taxes
Income redistribution
Global warming
Special Interests

Lastly, and this is more about his campaign, but the race card really bothers me.

Right, so ABH and have a good night.

Huh, I have no real issues with anything you said. Go figure. I must be tired as well. Good night.

P.S. Might need a tad more info on what exactly that list means...but let's do it later.

varmint 01-03-2008 10:27 PM

It will be hard to run against Obama. He's already established that it's "negative campaigning" to mention his middle name. No one is allowed to bring up his crazy church. ANd bringing up his political record means you don't want "change", whatever the hell that means.

Last year I heard him speak after the virginia school shootings. He compared the violence there to the violence of job outsourcing, and the violence of underfunded school lunch programs. I knew at that moment he wasn't a deep thinker. Eventually the public will realize he's a black Dan Quayle.

Hillary came in third. I will allow myself a moment to gloat. Tomorrow I'll have to go back to thinking about what a cluster**** the Republican field is.

K. Roman 01-04-2008 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3681953)
All of Obama's positions (good and bad) can be found documented here:

http://www.issues2000.org/Barack_Obama.htm

-Wayne

Who created this site? Huckabee?

Nathans_Dad 01-04-2008 01:09 AM

I like Huckabee. It's about time someone finally won a political race in this country without resorting to negative attack ads and mudslinging. He may not win the nomination, but kudos to the Iowa voters for rejecting the big spending and mudslinging Romney and giving Huckabee the nod.

As far as the Dems, Hillary REALLY needs to learn to give a speech without getting into that semi-lecturing, half shouting, bone grating tone that she has. My God, can you imagine listening to that for 4 years? I would have to shut the TV off. I don't agree with Obama's positions, but you got to give the guy props...he is a very charismatic speaker. His speech was really impressive.

Chocaholic 01-04-2008 03:49 AM

You've got to consider that a campaigning politicians stance on "issues" is nothing more than a stage prop at this point. A diversion. All of them. Hillary, Obama, Romney, Giuliani are at the top of that list in my book. The only thing to evaluate at this point is character and integrity. Prioritize based on that first. Then, if you think their position on anything is real, have a look, but I can assure you...when the ***** hits the fan, forget about anything that was said during the campaign. It's all ancient history. Read my lips!

frogger 01-04-2008 04:13 AM

Huckabee would make a great Pope of the United States. That way his foreign affairs gaffes would be harmless.

lendaddy 01-04-2008 04:23 AM

Obama will not win the Dem primaries. There is still heavy racism within the Dixicrat southerners.

Sad but true.

Externally the Dems claim he'll face the racism issue in the national election but internally they know it will hit in the southern Democrat primaries.

legion 01-04-2008 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 3681750)
But he is likeable and doesn't make my blood pressure move at all when I see him on tv.

You just don't know him well enough yet. Hillary is the moderate of the two.

legion 01-04-2008 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 3681831)
I'm leaning towards Romney, he seems to be able to handle money and I don't think he going to try and turn me into a Mormon. My first choice would be someone like Jack Welch, the former CEO of General Electric.

Neutron Jack would be good for the federal government...

legion 01-04-2008 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KaptKaos (Post 3681925)
None of them float my boat either. I'd prefer Obama to Hillary, because at least I "think" I know where he stands on things.

You think you know, but you really don't. (No one does.) Look up his speech on the role of religion in politics. In it he both says that religion should have no role in politics and that it is okay for your religion to guide you. Most of his speeches are like this.

The [Obama-fawning] press usually only picks up on one side of his many, many contradictions when they play sound bites.

In the end, he uses a whole lot of words to say nothing.

Shaun @ Tru6 01-04-2008 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 3681953)
All of Obama's positions (good and bad) can be found documented here:

http://www.issues2000.org/Barack_Obama.htm

-Wayne

If you cherry pick, this guy looks pretty good (but then, anyone looks good sitting in a bowl full of cherries)

Based on the entire Corporations section alone, this guy would have my vote

* End tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas. (Aug 2007)
* Hold corporations responsible for pensions & work conditions. (Aug 2007)
* Tax incentives for corporate responsibility. (Jun 2004)
* Close tax loopholes for US companies relocating abroad. (Jun 2004)
* REAL USA Plan: Reward companies that create domestic jobs. (Jun 2004)
* Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
* Voted NO on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)


Education looks good too
# We need a sense of urgency about improving education system. (Sep 2007)
# Nationwide program to reconstruct crumbling school buildings. (Sep 2007)
# STEP UP: summer learning opportunities for disadvantaged. (Aug 2007)
# We left the money behind for No Child Left Behind. (Aug 2007)
# Pay "master teachers" extra, but with buy-in from teachers. (Aug 2007)
# Sends kids to private school; but wants good schools for all. (Jul 2007)
# Supreme Court was wrong on school anti-integration ruling. (Jul 2007)
# Incentives to hire a million teachers over next decade. (Jun 2007)
# Pay teachers more money & treat them like professionals. (Jun 2007)
# Public school system status quo is indefensible. (Oct 2006)
# More teacher pay in exchange for more teacher accountability. (Oct 2006)
# Guarantee affordable life-long, top-notch education. (Jun 2006)
# Provide decent funding and get rid of anti-intellectualism. (Jul 2004)
# Address the growing achievement gap between students. (May 2004)
# Will add 25,000 teachers in high-need areas. (May 2004)
# Supports charter schools and private investment in schools. (Jul 1998)
# Free public college for any student with B-average. (Jul 1998)


Jobs section is great too, but the first one caught my eye
* Paying more at Wal-Mart is worth it for having US jobs. (Dec 2007)

lyon 01-04-2008 04:52 AM

Who does Bush support? Romney? Huck? Fred?

VincentVega 01-04-2008 05:34 AM

Huck was on CNBC this morning. He scared me. He was so pro business it was hard to believe he was the same guy in IA who complained about CEO compensation.

When asked about his lack of foreign affairs experience his answer was "Ronald Reagan didnt have it either".

Nathans_Dad 01-04-2008 05:41 AM

Do any of the remaining candidates really have "foreign affairs experience"??

Obama...no.
Hillary...I guess if you count her husband's experience.
Huck...no.
Romney...no.
Edwards...too concerned about his hair to care...

legion 01-04-2008 06:15 AM

I'd be willing to bet that neither Obama nor Huckabee win in New Hampshire.

kach22i 01-04-2008 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy (Post 3682117)
Obama will not win the Dem primaries. There is still heavy racism within the Dixicrat southerners.

Sad but true.

Externally the Dems claim he'll face the racism issue in the national election but internally they know it will hit in the southern Democrat primaries.

I've run into that issue here in Michigan already, something about "a Muslim background" which is just code for black man as I understand the context.

11:00-11:45 last night I was flipping between MSNBC (Keith Olbermann and others) and FOX News. MSNBC guys really embraced Obama comparing him to Robert Kennedy and proclaiming his Iowa victory speech as brilliant and moving.

Edwards second place showing was ignored as he placed second four years ago too - no news here move along folks.

The mainstream press on all stations seemed to set things up as Obama verses Hillary with no gray area in between, quite disturbing.

Fox News spent as little time on the Dems as MSNBC did the Repubs. Fox likes the conflict and tension of a simple two way battle as much as any other station and made light of the seven to one spending disparity between Romney and Huck (and Thompson).

Obama was crowned king, Huck not so much - wait and see.

M.D. Holloway 01-04-2008 06:26 AM

Who does Ted Kennedy hate? Thats who I'm voting for!

legion 01-04-2008 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 3682286)
I've run into that issue here in Michigan already, something about "a Muslim background" which is just code for black man as I understand the context.

Yes, the fact that his father is a muslim has nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:

kach22i 01-04-2008 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 3682275)
I'd be willing to bet that neither Obama nor Huckabee win in New Hampshire.

Obama could be a close second in NH and take South Carolina (game over).

Huckabee is going to get punished in NH, but bounce back in South Carolina.

Romney will sweep Michigan (daddy was Gov once) and perhaps Florida, but Ron Paul will be the one they talk about. The reason for this is that Michigan and Florida Dem's votes will not count at the convention so cross over voters will be voting for Ron Paul in great numbers.

kach22i 01-04-2008 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 3682296)
Yes, the fact that his father is a muslim has nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:

That then is Obama's dad's background, not his.


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