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motion 01-13-2008 04:37 PM

Why does the earth look like this?
 
The universe is 3-dimensional, expanding in all directions since the big bang. There is no up or down. So, why is the earth always depicted like this? I must be missing something here. Help, anyone?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200274583.jpg

Couldn't the earth just as easily look like this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200274617.jpg

sjf911 01-13-2008 04:42 PM

"North-centrism" Which hemisphere did the majority of modern civilizations and therefore maps develop in?

BRPORSCHE 01-13-2008 04:43 PM

There is an answer to this question, I am not smart enough to know the answer, but there is an answer.

I'll take a stab at it though. When the astronaunts looked back at Earth from the Moon I know they saw the first Earth. I guess you would have to be standing upside down to see the other way around?

motion 01-13-2008 04:45 PM

Steve's answer must explain something... Tom, what about ancient navigation maps that show basically the same thing we show today?

tabs 01-13-2008 04:48 PM

The earth is FLAT...these pictures were all taken in a photgraphy studio... if you go to the edge of the earth, instead of falling off you are just go to the reverse side...thus if you are in Australia you are down under...and hence the term "down under"

stomachmonkey 01-13-2008 04:50 PM

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_159.html

motion 01-13-2008 04:56 PM

Fascinating... so it is only a convention.

Check this from Wiki:

The famous photo of Earth from Apollo 17 (Blue Marble) originally had the south pole at the top, as in this view, with the island of Madagascar visible just left of center, and the continent of Africa at its right. However, the image was turned upside-down to fit the traditional view.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200275784.jpg

Jim Richards 01-13-2008 05:14 PM

NASA is run by a bunch of rabid hemispherists.

JCF 01-13-2008 05:25 PM

That 's the way it is depicted on the Bizzaro earth.

DARISC 01-13-2008 05:28 PM

Because we walk upright, and have chosen to define "up" as where our heads are, relative to our feet.

And, we know that the earth rotates on an axis, one end of which is approximately below the North Star.

We have to turn our heads "up" to see the North Star.

Therefore it's logical that we would place a dot "up" at the top of a piece of paper to represent the North Star.

And we would draw a circle somewhat "down" from the dot to represent the Earth.

Also, I think most people visualize a spinning sphere (in this case the Earth) as they visualize a spinning coin or a spinning top, i.e., on an axis plumb to the center of the Earth

That's my hypothesis.

And I'm sticking to it.

Paul K 01-13-2008 05:35 PM

In Europe, they look at the view of 'their bit'. Interesting question though- I had a geography professor who had a bunch of maps which were printed at different angles- kinda cool.

dipso 01-13-2008 05:40 PM

The first picture is just the way it looks if the north pole is north. The second picture is the way it looks if you were somewhere else and not north north at the time.

jmshepard 01-13-2008 05:44 PM

My boss has a map in his office from the Australian MOD. It has Australia in the center top position. It takes some time to orient oneself to that perspective.
Jim S.

jmshepard 01-13-2008 05:49 PM

Like this one:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200278917.jpg

Rick Lee 01-13-2008 05:50 PM

This is how it should look. Middle Kingdom in the middle.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200279015.jpg

Jim Richards 01-13-2008 06:00 PM

Are you talking about that big province of Taiwan (ROC)? ;)

BeyGon 01-13-2008 06:12 PM

Maybe because the early explorers were in what is now called the Northern Hemisphere, they made the maps and coined the terms we use. Why would they make themselfs at the bottom?

RWebb 01-13-2008 07:18 PM

We took the pictures, so we get to say which way is up.

If the Aussies had gotten there first, it might be different. OR maybe they like living down there, even if they are always at risk of falling off.

Hugh R 01-13-2008 07:31 PM

That Australian orthoprojection map really shows the problem of taking one point of sight (view) and taking a globe and making it flat. It makes AU look as big as the US. It is big, but not that big it also makes Canada look smaller than the US, which it isn't

911Rob 01-13-2008 09:51 PM

the Big "N" man, the Big "N"!!!

You'll find it on every survey or site plan.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200293510.gif

livi 01-14-2008 12:33 AM

Because otherwise you Americans would fall off.

frogger 01-14-2008 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by livi (Post 3703065)
Because otherwise you Americans would fall off.

I'm feeling a bit light headed today. Hmmmm? :confused:

KFC911 01-14-2008 05:05 AM

I've often wondered why the equator wasn't verticle :) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200319521.jpg

KFC911 01-14-2008 05:07 AM

This one is for the Neocons (it'll kill 'em being on the left):http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200319652.jpg

VaSteve 01-14-2008 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 3703220)
I've often wondered why the equator wasn't verticle :)


Isn't the earth a little wider at the Equator because of the centrifugal force of the spinning?

Regarding the "north-cerntric" view...Can't that be determined by relation to other planets and the sun? (Assuming those aren't upside down as well).

Regarding maps....I did some driving in Europe. All the maps have the "local names" for the cities...it was brilliant! :D

KFC911 01-14-2008 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaSteve (Post 3703226)
Isn't the earth a little wider at the Equator because of the centrifugal force of the spinning?

Not wider, taller :)

billwagnon 01-14-2008 05:35 AM

comparison of land area by country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_outlying_territories_by_area

cgarr 01-14-2008 06:04 AM

Why is a turd tapered at the end?

dhoward 01-14-2008 06:41 AM

So your butthole doesn't slam shut.

Tobra 01-14-2008 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjf911 (Post 3702416)
"North-centrism" Which hemisphere did the majority of modern civilizations and therefore maps develop in?

this is the correct answer

sammyg2 01-14-2008 07:52 AM

The top picture is the correct orientation, for now. After december 21st 2012, the second picture will be right ;)

stevepaa 01-14-2008 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 3703220)
I've often wondered why the equator wasn't verticle :) http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200319521.jpg

Because when you try to depict the solar system, you need a great distance between mercury and neptune and it is easier to depict it horizontally on a piece of paper than vertically from floor to ceiling.

Hugh R 01-14-2008 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhoward (Post 3703363)
So your butthole doesn't slam shut.

This is a perfect example of reversal of cause & effect. Your truds are tapered because your butthole didn't slam shut. SmileWavy

Moses 01-14-2008 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjf911 (Post 3702416)
"North-centrism" Which hemisphere did the majority of modern civilizations and therefore maps develop in?

Nah. The first instrument ever developed for determining geographic orientation was a simple compass. Do you imagine the little compass needle points north because of "North-centric" cultural bias or maybe racist cartographers?

Every map contains a compass rose with the map oriented in the direction the little magnetic needle first pointed.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1200333409.jpg

cgarr 01-14-2008 09:02 AM

OK, so when I am going north in my suv, the little compass says N in the mirror, now I stop and start backing up, it still says N not S? Why? Is it because I have to poop?

Moses 01-14-2008 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 3703660)
OK, so when I am going north in my suv, the little compass says N in the mirror, now I stop and start backing up, it still says N not S? Why? Is it because I have to poop?

Yes.

KFC911 01-14-2008 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevepaa (Post 3703513)
Because when you try to depict the solar system, you need a great distance between mercury and neptune and it is easier to depict it horizontally on a piece of paper than vertically from floor to ceiling.

I do all my depicting outside, and the sky's the limit :)

tcar 01-14-2008 09:39 AM

Always assumed that it's because over 80% of the land mass on earth is North of the equator.

motion 01-14-2008 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcar (Post 3703740)
Always assumed that it's because over 80% of the land mass on earth is North of the equator.

Wouldn't that make the earth automatically turn upside down so the land mass was to the south? Gravity, ya know.

tobster1911 01-14-2008 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moses (Post 3703650)
Every map contains a compass rose with the map oriented in the direction the little magnetic needle first pointed.


My vote as well. Lines of magnetic field and all....


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