Non Lethal Ammo

[stomachmonkey]

Gonna hit google and look but thoughts welcome.

Gave away all my stuff that goes bang when my daughter was born.

Firm believer in you can only hide it so that it takes the bed wetter's longer to find them but find them they will.

Daughter is 7 going on 8 , son 4 going on 5 so they are in the age range that I can start teaching proper handling.

Put the guard pooch to sleep 2 years ago, (have not slept comfortably since) and am not in a position to get a new one anytime soon. (Doberman will be the next one, the Mastiffs were awesome but destroyed my house, friggin spooge everywhere including the ceiling)

Just had a thought.

Rubber bullets.

Can I load them, what's the temp stopping power and can they be lethal at close range.

Or put another way, can they convince a bad guy to go away and not risk my kids offing the neighbors kid in a moment of poor judgement?

[RickM]

I'm surprised they don't make a device that makes the sound of racking a shotgun. If that doesn't work use it as a club.

I don't know much about rubber bullets but the bean bag projectiles used in shotguns sounds like a good choice.

Add: Now that I think of it, any "non lethal" weapon can likely result in death if the circumstances are right. Do you really want the scum around to sue your boots off after the fact?

Link to happy sack: http://www.keepshooting.com/ammunition/speciality/bean-bag-round-shotgun.htm

[osidak]

two words

german dum-dums

[Racerbvd]

Sorry, but why would you being willing to give them a choice or chance?? If they are inside your home, don't scare them, eliminate them!!! The next house they break into my not be so lucky. Remember, they chose to break into your home, and if you let them go, they will do it again, and just laugh at you. If I find em in my home or biz, some one else will be taking them out.

[RickM]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Sorry, but why would you being willing to give them a choice or chance?? If they are inside your home, don't scare them, eliminate them!!! The next house they break into my not be so lucky. Remember, they chose to break into your home, and if you let them go, they will do it again, and just laugh at you. If I find em in my home or biz, some one else will be taking them out.

I think he's trying to limit damage if one of the kiddies gets their hands on the firearm.

My advice would be to get a no-sight-required, fingertip actuated gun safe.

[futuresoptions]

Rubber bullets and bean bags are deadly at close range. Even blanks can kill at close range. +1 on Rick's advice.....

[RickM]

In reading the effective range of the bean bag load it states "7 yards with heavy clothing". So, yes, not looking like a non-lethal option in close quarters.

Here's the Gun Vault.... http://www.elitetacticalsources.com/client/details.php?pid=1093

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Sorry, but why would you being willing to give them a choice or chance?? If they are inside your home, don't scare them, eliminate them!!! The next house they break into my not be so lucky. Remember, they chose to break into your home, and if you let them go, they will do it again, and just laugh at you. If I find em in my home or biz, some one else will be taking them out.

More worried about my kids and their friends then I am about anyone else including the "next guy".

And as much as I love you Byron I love my kids more.

I grew up in a gun house, slept with one under the side of my bed and had proper training and respect for it.

Still had friends over that did not have the same training and respect.

Kids are stupid, stuff happens.

Looking for a safe balance.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by RickM

In reading the effective range of the bean bag load it states "7 yards with heavy clothing". So, yes, not looking like a non-lethal option in close quarters.

Here's the Gun Vault.... http://www.elitetacticalsources.com/client/details.php?pid=1093

Hmm,

Looks like an option.

Will check it out.

Thanks

[RickM]

Here's the link for all the models: http://www.elitetacticalsources.com/gun_safes.htm

[RickM]

Then there's always.........

Back-up Bed Rifle Rack:


"You never know who might just be crazy or desperate enough to break into your home these days with the number of crazy folks running outside, which makes the “Back Up” idea all the more attractive. This simple gun rack fits right under your bed mattress, giving you unprecedented access to your shotgun at night. It retails for $39.95 which makes it all the more affordable to virtually everyone who owns a shotgun, but unfortunately I wouldn’t want to have this in my home unless I keep the bedroom door locked at all times just in case curious children wonder what a shotgun is doing under my bed while playing Hide-and-Seek."

[Hugh R]

I own several guns, blanks, rubber, less lethal they all kill. Do you really live in a place where you need a gun at a moments notice? Or are you just that paranoid? If the neighborhood is that bad, I'd move. Buy a proximity alarm that tells you that someone is coming on your property.

[ZOA NOM]

I would worry that having "non-lethal" ammo would give the kids the wrong level of respect for the weapon. My advice would be to remove or lock up the weapons until you can feel comfortable teaching them about the real thing. Rubber bullets would be too tempting for a kid.

[snbush67]

Try a moat.....and sharks with laser beams attached to their heads.....or if you can't afford sharks you could go with the ever economical sea bass option. (saw this in a movie).

[alf]

Lock up the guns.
Get a P7 that requires a 14 pould grip squeeze to cock the hammer.

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Kids are stupid, stuff happens.

Looking for a safe balance.

Well stuff doesn't just 'happen'.

Children are injured because of lax parental oversight of their firearms, and a lack of training for the kids.

I have a wonderful 4 year old daughter, and I don't worry about my guns.

I have the following precautions in place:

-All long guns are disassembled and kept in locked cases with trigger locks installed. I bought a 6 pack of locks that are keyed alike. Its the first product on this page: http://www.winner-intl.com/hardware/trigger.html

-All hand guns are kept in a small Stack On gun safe. This is the model: http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/strong_box_safes/ps-514.html

-All ammo is kept in army ammo boxes 7 feet off the ground in a closed cabinet.

-Keys to everything are well hidden far from the guns.


Rubber bullets are an extremely poor idea for a number of reasons:

A) If you display a firearm, there is the expectation that deadly force is going to used. An armed person may respond in kind and shoot you with real bullets.

B) Rubber bullets are still just as deadly to a child when fired from close range.

C) Rubber bullets have a high likelyhood of producing injury of some kind to the intruder, which will result in YOU getting sued over the dirtbags injuries. Wrongful death lawsuits are cheaper than paying for a lifetime of care for some criminal who was rendered handicaped in some fashion by your rubber bullets. A grim calculation I'm afraid.

[azasadny]

Two words...


gun safe

All of my weapons are locked in a full-size safe and they also have trigger locks. I have them for hunting and target shooting, not home defense...

[on2wheels52]

I've had that Gun Vault next to the bed for a number of years, it has worked as expected. Ant other firearms are in a locked display cabinet (our bedroom had a nice alcove for it) or at the shop. My sons are safe with 'loose' guns around but their friends have different backgrounds.
Jim

[Rick Lee]

Stomachmonkey, how old were you before you were able to rack the slide back on a 1911? I think was probably nine or so. And I knew how to field strip that gun in seconds even then. My wife cannot rack the slides back on any of my SIG's. Those guns are paperweights to people who cannot cycle them. I would not leave a loaded wheel gun laying around. But I think the chance of a girl working an auto pistol are less than her chances of drowning in the swimming pool. Rubber bullets are a very bad idea. They won't save you when you need real bullets and they can kill kids who take one at close range.

[Rot 911]

My Ruger goes on the nightstand when I go to bed at night and into the gun safe every morning when I get up.