Parents: A question about what I consider to be bizarre by a foster parent

[gr8fl4porsche]

Every parent has wanted to duct tape their children to something but actually doing it is a different matter..

She needs to be removed from the business of child fostering if the story is true.

[Big Ed]

Sometimes they just won't listen...

[DavidI]

Originally Posted by Kurt V

I'm an attorney that has been a guardian ad litem and a foster parent. There is no way a foster parent is allowed to do that to any child in their custody. You have a duty to report the incident to your Division of Family Services. The children will be removed from that home.

This is a crime (273(a) PC) in California. I am sure it is a crime in your state if it is proven. You have a duty and obligation to report this to the police and the Department of Children Services.

David

[DavidI]

Originally Posted by Dueller

To answer a few questions:

Others...I don't really want to get into the details of the removal from natural mother's home at this juncture. Let me just say I think there is a personal vendetta going on within DFCS.

Dueller, to permanently remove a child from the custody of a parent, DCFS must have substantial evidence. I do not know the particulars of this case, but before you vigorously fight to restore custody to the biological mother, consider what the reasons were for the children's removal. Everyone has a sob story as to how they were railroaded by the system, but carefully weigh the facts as opposed to the opinions.

David

[Dueller]

Originally Posted by DavidI

Dueller, to permanently remove a child from the custody of a parent, DCFS must have substantial evidence. I do not know the particulars of this case, but before you vigorously fight to restore custody to the biological mother, consider what the reasons were for the children's removal. Everyone has a sob story as to how they were railroaded by the system, but carefully weigh the facts as opposed to the opinions.

David

Yes, David, I know. I've practiced long enough to be extremely cynical/skeptical of sob stories. On this one the foster parent when questioned has admitted her unusual technique to one of the children's counselors. That's how I got the info.

This is a sexual abuse case the mother reported immediately to DFCS. The perp was someone DFCS CLEARED last year and refused to prosecute despite mother's efforts (I've read that file). Now DFCS has taken the children because the same perp is now accused again by mother and this time it appears there is substantial evidence. DFCS has removed child from mother for her failure to provide a safe environment after they cleared the same guy last year.

Capisce?

[Sapporo Guy]

hmmmm

mother lost children ...
foster mother taped kids ... she's getting paid isn't she? What did she do prior to reprimand the children? Still, I think the foster mother was out of line due to professional negligence.

Isn't there some kind of training for foster parents? Or some kind of certification?

Extreme handling of kids from a parent's view. But what if you send them to their room? Put them out in the hallway (Japanese technique -- lock the kid out of the house). A spanking?

I think that child welfare is a bit trigger happy at times.Yes, I agree situations do exist that it is better for the child to step in.

But a foster parent should follow the guidelines.

As for the mother not being able to provide a safe environment. hmmm, what is she supposed to do? Move out of the state? (assumption being made that ex-BF is very persistent fella with "good" friends)

This topic is very deep.

[DavidI]

Originally Posted by Dueller

Yes, David, I know. I've practiced long enough to be extremely cynical/skeptical of sob stories. On this one the foster parent when questioned has admitted her unusual technique to one of the children's counselors. That's how I got the info.

This is a sexual abuse case the mother reported immediately to DFCS. The perp was someone DFCS CLEARED last year and refused to prosecute despite mother's efforts (I've read that file). Now DFCS has taken the children because the same perp is now accused again by mother and this time it appears there is substantial evidence. DFCS has removed child from mother for her failure to provide a safe environment after they cleared the same guy last year.

Capisce?

It sounds like the DCFS has some explaining to do to the courts. I am very protective of children because in many cases, they are truly victims. I am sure you know the case and the details. I hope the judge who determines custody will make the best decision to protect the kids.

[Dueller]

Originally Posted by DavidI

It sounds like the DCFS has some explaining to do to the courts. I am very protective of children because in many cases, they are truly victims. I am sure you know the case and the details. I hope the judge who determines custody will make the best decision to protect the kids.

In the case last year, DFCS not only cleared the perp but made a writtten determination that the child had been coached. They determined that abuse had occurred while the child was in summer visitation in another city with natural father but that the alleged perp had no contact during the period when the abuse occurred. DFCs went so far to identify who they suspected BUT NEVER FOLLOWED UP ON THE INCIDENT OR TRANSFERRED THE INVESTIGATION to the jurisdiction where the father lived. Sadly all perps/alleged perps are family members of father.

I've gone ballistic on local DFCS's for not following thru on that investigation and clearing the perp last year. Perhaps too zealously because they seem to be very uncooperative with me right now.

[Sapporo Guy]

DFCS got caught with their pants down. Don't want to admit anything that they didn't follow up properly.

Get em' Tiger!

[911Rob]

Physco move if you ask me.
Poor kids, my heart goes out to them.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by 911Rob

...Poor kids, my heart goes out to them.

Mine too...

[Icemaster]

I just addressed a similar issue with the childrens service agency I work with. It wasnt as severe as taping kids face to face - we removed the kids from the home, terminated the couple as foster parents and placed the kids elsewhere.

Shouldnt' be any discussion or questions about it.

[DanielDudley]

I hve heard of many cases where a mother calls the authoritys to protect her children, and the children are taken from her.

I don't know much about duct taping children, but my father used to spank me. Hard. I look at some of these kids today, and what they grow up to be and do, and I wonder if that was so wrong. I mean, the kids I grew up with, many are dead or in jail. My father made sure I was not one of them.

A lot of children today are like wild animals with no sense of limits. Take a look at the news.

[Sapporo Guy]

Parenting was forced to change over the years.
However, society targetted was able to punish wrong doings but conveniently deceided to not retrain parents so that they would be able to parent in a "new" world.

When does parenting become a crimial offense?
Where is the line?

[id10t]

Duct tape can be damaging to skin, etc. so yes there is some concern.

On the other hand, my 2 (daughter 7 son 4) have been fighting so much lately that I made them spend the entire day yesterday together doing things... and now that I've seen this thread, the next time they are forced into quality time together, it may well be in just one of their rooms instead of the whole house and yard... but no duct tape.

[mattdavis11]

She's binding the kids. She's binding them together which is torture. The next thing you'll hear, they're dead. BTK.

Get those kids out of there.

[Flatbutt1]

Wait a freakin' minute here...the abuse happened when the children were in the care of their Father but the kids are removed from their Mother? WTF is that all about. Daddy dear was responsible for their care at that time...how was Mother responsible for his failure? Jeez what a system!

[Chocaholic]

The duct tape wasn't stuck to their skin, was it? Heck, when I was a kid, my mom used to hold me down and lick my nose. Talk about torture!!! But, not nearly as bad as getting kicked around the family room by my dad. Those were different times. But...I never spent a single minute in jail. Just grew up to become a productive professional adult. Who'd-a-thunk-it.

[911pcars]

Didn't binding sorta work for those two gangsters in the M. Jackson "Beat It" video? They apparently came out of it okay (danced in unison over and over). However, I'm sure it had a profound effect on Michael.

Flash forward to 2002. See. I told you.

Sherwood

[Dueller]

Had a hearing Tuesday. Foster mother claims it was a joke after the kids made up. A few other issues came out.

Chilldren have been removed from this foster home.