DTM Cars

[barney911rs]

Not looking to buy, but just curious at this point. What is the market value of a used DTM car. Anyone in Europe seen any listed for sale? Putting this in OT as for the past few years it's only been Mercedes and Audi running cars in that series.

[svandamme]

eeh, a used DTM car?
that's almost like buying a used F1 car

i doubt you'll see em "listed" for sale , they are chock full of fancy technology
if they do get sold, i suspect the buyer get's picked, not the buyer picking the car

[dd74]

They're out there. Here's a BMW...

http://www.carclassic.com/stock.asp?Ref=DV95&Lang=en

[svandamme]

that's not a DTM car



EDIT woops, i thought that DTM was only since 2000, and that before that it was called something else...
seems like there was a DTM before ITC

leaves only the question, which DTM are we talking about?

Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters
or the old DTM , Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft

[barney911rs]

I was thinking the more recent stuff, but that is a pretty cool BMW. I started thinking how competitive one of those cars would be in the NASA GTS series. I assume it would be either a GTS-5 or GTS-U class car. It'd be pretty cool so see some of those cars racing over here.

[Komenda Fan]

Can't say for certain, but I'm reasonably sure there was an add for a DTM Mercedes in one of the British classic car magazines in a recent issue. I don't have the issue, so sorry, I can't check, but it would be a good place to check. Some of the cars are being used over the course of a few seasons, but they're are quite a few of them, so I am sure that they can be obtained.

As a matter of fact, a quick google search brought this one up...

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C07649?pt=pf

[Steve PH]

Originally Posted by svandamme

leaves only the question, which DTM are we talking about?

Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters
or the old DTM , Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft

I thought it always meant the same thing? And like other categorys of motorsport its gone through some big rule changes over the last 20-30 years?

Back in the Eighties it was very much BMW M3 versus Merc 190s. Then it went ultra high tech with all wheel drive, turbo charging in the Nineties with Opel Calibras, Alfa 155s etc. And now for the last few years its been more of a spec series with very tight restrictions on what you can do?

[svandamme]

well, if the same thing means a 20+ year old regular car modified to be a race car vs a from the ground up design with all sorts of fancy gadgetry, technology , nothing in common with the production car, not even the basic chassis, then yeah, same thing!

[Komenda Fan]

This thread deserves more pics...

[dd74]

DTM and if I recall correctly, British Saloon Racing and whomever else were racing (more or less) sedans in the mid-90s, truly wanted to also race in the U.S. But guess who squelched that idea? Yep, NASCAR.

[barney911rs]

Komenda,

That is what I was looking for. If my currency conversion was correct, it's not cheap.

Live rates at 2008.01.22 00:36:36 UTC
245,000.00 GBP = 475,516.16 USD

United Kingdom Pounds United States Dollars
1 GBP = 1.94088 USD 1 USD = 0.515230 GBP

Love the pics

[CurtEgerer]

The DTM series started in 1984. The cars were only slightly modified from their road-going counterparts when it started out. In fact, homologation cars had to be built and sold to consumers. The BMW M3 and the Mercedes 190 2.5-16 Evo were two of the best known. The real DTM versions of these cars sell for fairly large dollars - at least $150,000 and usually much more. These cars could easily be maintained and worked on by a privateer since they are very close to the street versions.

Around 1994-95 the rules changed and the cars became more radical. There was no longer a homologation requirement and all sorts of aero, electronic and mechanical complexity was added. The series died off in 1997.

It was resurrected in 2000 but was now the premier touring car class in Europe, not just a German series. The cars were (and are now) more complicated than F1 cars! I'm guessing it would take $1/2 million to even get started. Then, I doubt the car could be maintained without factory assistance. Much like buying a used F1 car, as someone previously pointed out.

Here's a cool video of an old M3 DTM car being run by a privateer:

[CurtEgerer]

It's interesting to look at how the series has evolved to something almost unrecognizable. Much like how early 911 race cars were originally very close to their road-going counterparts, but eventually evolved into the 935.

Road-going 1989 M-B 190 homologation car:



DTM version of same car:



Road-going 1987 M3 homologation car (mine! ) :



DTM version of same car:



Current Audi A4 road car:



DTM version of same car ... not that there's anything wrong with that

[URY914]

[k9handler]

Love them!!! Watched them race while in Germany and now I just laugh when I see a NASCAR race. They are so awesome to watch, damn near as cool as an F1 race thats for sure.
I am sure they would be very expensive to purchase. The museum at the Nurburgring has a few of them on display, crazy how far back the driver is in the car.

[k9handler]

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by CurtEgerer

Road-going 1989 M-B 190 homologation car:

Screw the DTM cars -- I'll take that 190, or a 190-Evo of the same vintage and have at it! IIRC, the 190-Evo was MB's answer to the E30 M3.

-Z-man.

[k9handler]

[cstreit]

Originally Posted by barney911rs

I was thinking the more recent stuff, but that is a pretty cool BMW. I started thinking how competitive one of those cars would be in the NASA GTS series. I assume it would be either a GTS-5 or GTS-U class car. It'd be pretty cool so see some of those cars racing over here.

THere goes any chance we have of a top 5 John, sheesh!

Just watching they way they handle and accelerate on TV, they seem like an F1 car with a body shell over it.

[k9handler]

not a DTM but fast as hell!

The GM owned DTM cars...makes ya wonder?