I'm sorry you think I'm putting you on trial; I'm not. You started this thread, so I assumed it was open for discussion. You seem to have a hostile attitude towards anyone that disagrees with your actions. I can only infer that you perhaps contributed to this guy's attitude towards you. Then again, maybe not. Maybe you were a paragon of calm, rational behavior.

Legally, how many witnesses do you suppose would support your contention that he might have been about to hit you? What if he pressed charges? Worth it?

You knew yourself after you slapped him that he might have pulled a gun. Seems like I read about stuff like that happening every day. What if he (or one of his co-workers) pulled a knife? What if it turned into a full-blown fight and you wound up fuched up, or in the hospital, or dead? Worth it?

You acted on an impulse and threw the first blow. Much more likely to escalate than come out the way it did. It's a lose-lose scenario if you ask me when you throw the first blow. You got lucky, and I think you know that. But what do I know. I don't have a clue.

You are stating the obvious, Steve, so why post it at all, other than to incite anger in Speeder? No one needs a know-it-all Hall Monitor.

(By the way, personally, I'm not a fighter, but rather the kind of guy who would try to calm the situation down. But I know others handle situations a bit differently and I don't have a problem with how Speeder handled himself with that guy. I get tired of the bullies of the world trying to use fear and intimidation to get their way, so when one of them gets a taste of their own medicine, I applaud the person willing stand up for himself)

Sorry to hear about your dog Denis, good luck with that; my family and I went through the same thing about a year ago; I couldn't do it; my wife took him to the vet. I felt very badly for her afterwards too. We discussed it one day and I said I just couldn't do it to the old boy; he was in very bad shape too. I came home one day and she told me that she had done it.

I didn't give it much more thought about her taking him in; I've done it for other friends and families pets, just didn't have the mustard for my 'ol boy. A night or two later I came to bed and I sensed the "sense" that my wife was upset. Sniffles and sheet tossing led to definate tears. The whole time I was thinking to myself, "Oh *****, what did I do wrong now" as I have a habit of being Irish myself the odd day or two. She replied, "I'm just so upset about Kodi being gone." I was relieved in one sense, but we sure did love the 'ol boy.



As for advocating such an act of physical violence, I just can't. This is very childish and immature and you should be very ashamed of yourself. If this was Tabs son, he'd own everything thats yours now, including that 996! Take some anger management courses or something and give up those contact sports and get into chess or tiddly winks will ya!!

You're giving us Irish a name and I'm sick and tired of the stereo typing that the rest of us get placed in because of the acts and temperment of one bad a$$ Irishman.

Jeesh! Where do you think you are? PPOT?

It's hard to let go but it sounds like you did the right thing. My avatar is Maui & Alii. Maui was 17 and Alii was 15

Very simple....the trash glass guy picked the wrong guy to try and intimidate. Good for you Denis! It was a risky, but gutsy move. Just like the police videos, this guy had choices on how to deal with an irate customer, and in this particular case, getting in the customers face in a threatening manner was the MOST wrong choice he could have made, and he found out why. I am tired of the wussification of this nation, and it ought to be alright to defend yourself from a threat.

Having said all of that, for me, while I would want to do the same thing, it may not be worth the consequences. If that guy would have turned and capped you, it would seem a pretty senseless act for a piece of glass scratching your tint. Did you do the right thing....yes. In today's society is that a smart response...I can't say it is.

Either way...props to you for standing up for yourself and others who refuse to be bullied.

JA

How could it be obvious when almost everyone here is praising speeder? What do you suppose everyone would be saying if he was in the hospital with a knife wound in his gut? It's Monday morning quarterbacking around here; he did good because it worked out his way. Maybe next time it won't. That's why I'm speaking up. I ain't no hall monitor. That's Todd's job.

Can't speak for everyone, but me, I'd be saying he should change his handle to "bleeder."

Glad no one shot yer ass and called the cops who would've hauled yer ass off to either the hospital, jail or morgue and, if not the morgue, the glass co. ass coulda dragged yer ass into court and sued yer ass and won, taking yer ass for yer house, etc. and maybe even finding yer ass in jail fer a bit.

I dunno - prettty big risk to take for the satisfaction of a well deserved b!tch slap. Difficult to do but more intelligent to walk the f-ck away and live to b-tch slap another day.

I agree DARISC and Steve, the risk taken is too great, at least for my taste (I really like my house, my life, and my freedom), but I still applaud a guy brave enough to take the risk and stand up for himself. He did something I would be unwilling to do personally, but that I sometimes wish I were brave enough to do myself.

Obviously I was being tongue and cheek in my prior post ;)

Let's talk man to man, 'eh?
There comes the 'moment' when a man goes for it, or walks from it.
You can talk all about it, cause there ain't no talking thats gonna change that moment. It's either in you or it ain't. If you're thinking about how tough this guy is, or is he gonna sue me, or he might know kung-fo; or maybe he's related to Tabs?, the moment is over and all you got is talk. You're either a goer or not, period.

If you're not, that's OK in my books, if everybody was it would change the rules of the game dramatically. Just find a buddy like Denis and buy him beers often.

Denis is no stranger to bee-otch slapping; he's a goer, cause in the moment he just did what needed to be done. Period. I've always thought that as long as I have a good chance I won't die, what the heck, a little pain is nothing; heck, I think I love pain; so bring it on! Tough isn't about size or strength, it's about heart. Just ask any rugby player.

When a guy eggs on a goer, he's gonna get punched. One of my best buddies is off to Portugal next Wed for some world BJJ competition; he's a goer too. You do something to get into this guys space and you and your friends are in for some a$$ kicking; drives a 911 too :) Use to let him drive mine until he got the bug too badly; ha, ha.

I'm not a young guy anymore, but I can promise you this, If you get into my space with a go intention, you're gonna get punched and now. You touch something somehow that I love and I'm coming after you; that's a promise. Automatic punch button: say F.U. to my face! (I just lose it)

Now I was raised in mostly small logging towns in remote parts of BC, and I'll admit that growing up in Cities or places like Cali are bound to be different environments, but where I'm from a mans a man. My wife doesn't like it, but she respects it and knows that when its hammer time its very likely the other guy is gonna go down! She would kill me if I abused it, but she respects the fact that I hold the line.

Now, I'm a big guy too, so I must be careful with my size and strength and I wouldn't just pound some poor Lil fokker or anything like that. If I sense there's no back bone behind the bark, I'll hold back. Last scuffle I actually walked away, drove home, changed into my fighting clothes, drove back to the site and gave the guy a second chance. He was every bit the idiot as before I'd left, (he was a client too) so we went at it. Guy was crying on his hands and knees before I could even punch him? Ha!

If you're thinking about becoming a goer? Then practise! Most guys are afraid of being hit; Oh I'd say like 90%. So if you're willing to hit 'em, you're the winner 9 outa 10 times. Take your best swing and punch them right in the cheek bone, just below the eye, as hard as you can. Imagine your punching the back of their head and follow through. Then practise getting punched; eliviating the fear of getting punched back is the 2nd part of the "moment" preparation. Have a few beers and get your buddies to punch you in the head. We use to do this all the time. One of my best friends missed once and got me right in the adams apple. I couldn't talk for days, another broke my friggin nose with a square on punch. This was just practising.

I've lost more fights than I've ever won; I don't give a rip about who's gonna win; but I'm coming out with no skin on my knuckles, that's for sure! Irishman, that's my story.

My two cents Denis, but good on ya mate!
Fighting Irish ;)

Not particularly proud of it, but I got in to many fights in my 20's and not once was I sued. What planet do you guys live on where a simple fist fight results in these massive law suits where they "take everything you own"? Seems a little dramatic. Can anyone actually site such a case?

Keep your []D [] []\/[] []D hand strong speeder ;)

Most of the time there isn't a lawsuit, because the guy delivering the punch has little or no assets. A real lawsuit needs a lawyer to file and pursue it, and the lawyer (usually on contingency on that type of case) isn't going to take it on if the only hope is to recover a worthless piece of paper (i.e., an uncollectable judgment).

But believe me, ANY time someone known to have significant assets throws a first punch, a lawsuit will ensue. Many, many cases are citeable for that proposition. For a few: Dennis Rodman, Sean Penn, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Sean Taylor, Lindsay Lohan, etc. etc. etc.

ain't happening in Canada anyway.

I've been charged with assault 4 times, no convictions. Each time was a brawl, not just a single punch, so the Judge just threw it out.

20 years ago I was charged with theft under $200 for taking a guys TV on collateral.
Left me with a phone bill, when I found out where he lived a month or two later I kicked his front door in, threatend him and took his TV. Cops showed up a few minutes later and found me with the TV in hand. Judge wasn't too sympathetic. Almost didn't get my real estate license because of it too; had to go before a special board for approval.

Yes, and it wasn't a fight. A real threat it is, but Speeder did what needed to be done. Someone has to take a stand, otherwise clowns like the glass guy keep screwing with people, but thanks to Speeder, he may think twice next time. Sure, you could ignore those clowns, then they just get worse & worse, like Saddam did until President Bush put his foot down, after he did, it didn't long for Libia to come around.

Hey...You B*tch Slapped him and that's what he turned into....

Look, I know that going around hitting people is not a good habit to be in, and in fact I know my temper well enough to go out of my way to avoid confrontations because of it. When he was jacking me around on the price of the mirror and being a weasel, I just blew it off and said, "whatever, dude..." I was thinking to myself that he was a punk, but not worth the trouble.

Steve, you have a point that I might have brought bad energy into the place because of what I was going through immediately before I went there, but believe me, even after the window scratch deal I did not go back in expecting a physical confrontation with the guy. It shocked me, frankly. I'm skeptical sometimes when cops always say, "you weren't there" about ass-kickings they deliver, but I'm telling you that there is no way to adequately depict the behavior of this guy on this forum. You guys will just have to take my word for it. Or not. ;) I wish that it was caught on tape. We were having a verbal dispute in normal voice tones, then suddenly he decided that he wanted to end the discussion and stepped into my face. I am grateful that I did not feel more threatened and give him an elbow/forearm to the mouth or jaw. That would have been ugly, and a nightmare. This guy was not right in the head, you do not get up in someone's face like that in a business situation. I know guys who would bite his nose off in that scenario. :cool:

Machiavelli said (in so many words) it is best to have the people both love you and fear you, but if you cannot have both, you gain more respect through fear than through love. Funny to see it in action, sort of.

Sorry about both your dog and your altercation. I used to be a boxer on a fairly high regional level in my early days so I know about hitting and hurting people and I know about getting hurt and feeling a lot of physical pain. That was in the ring however. I am a pretty small guy, but as Rob mentions, it is all in the heart and guts. In the ring I was a well trained, tactical, maniac. I had no problem hurting people, they were all fair game. I was pretty badly hurt too on several occasions, but the pain was almost...good. Strange.

Now, outside the ring I have been in very few fights. I actually hate violence outside the ring and always back out. No, let me rephrase, I see to that I never even get close to a fight. Strange, again.

I can not be sure what I would have done in your situation. I agree with several posters that he certainly got what he deserved. I loath how the bullies of this world take advantage of the rest of us. My first reaction reading your post was GOOD FOR YOU! but then I went rational and started worrying what the result could have been - knives, guns, law suits.

new avatar for you Speeder :D
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