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WI wide body 02-02-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3743912)
I get it, in WWII, we screwed up by bombing peaceful nazis?:confused:

There you go again: comparing a pipsqueak to WW Two and the Nazi's.

Are you still confused on the differences?

Mule 02-02-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 3743852)
So we start with the one secular country that had kept the radical Islamic fundamentalists "in check" in the region for years :(? Why not Saudi Arabia, which IS the source of the hatred, the 9/11 attackers, and OBL, and just for grins, we send them 20B in arms for being "our oil buddies" recently. I believe that Sadaam had already taken care of the second part, and we as a country simply should NOT go there, or we would be no better than he was imo.

No real argument here. Mecca, Medina, the dome of the rock, should be the order of destruction.

Mule 02-02-2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3743916)
There you go again: comparing a pipsqueak to WW Two and the Nazi's.

Are you still confused on the differences?

Pipsqueak, 3000 dead in New York, you are really too stupid to even hold a conversation. How many Americans did the nazi's kill on American soil?

WI wide body 02-02-2008 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3743917)
No real argument here. Mecca, Medina, the dome of the rock, should be the order of destruction.

Your intelligence seems to be missing in the Bush admin Mule. Why don't you give them a call and offer your services?

BTW, didn't someone try that approach once? I think that at that time the program started with the letters "CR"......ah heack, bright guy like you can figure it out.;)

varmint 02-02-2008 10:41 AM

i don't know if it's blind hatred of the administration or just craven cowardice masked as pacifism.

a million dead in the iran-iraq war. tens of thousands of kurds gassed. the marsh arabs exterminated. kuwait almost annihilated. this region has an eight thousand year history of tyranny and genocide. we try to bring democracy and some concept of human rights, and the left pitches a fit.

i push an old woman out of the way of a speeding bus. some other guy pushes her in front of a speeding bus. technically, we both shoved an old lady. in the mind of an idiot we're moral equivalents.

Mule 02-02-2008 10:43 AM

Apparently your medication hasn't kicked in yet because now you're making no sense at all. Why not just post "I hate America?" This way your true feelings are expressed and you dont look as stupid as you do in the above post.

70SATMan 02-02-2008 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3743921)
Pipsqueak, 3000 dead in New York, you are really too stupid to even hold a conversation. How many Americans did the nazi's kill on American soil?

We entered the European Theater somewhat unwillingly and is a poor analogy though I think you are referring to the global "threat" of the time.

In this case though remind me please. Which country was responsible for the loss of life on 9/11?

Mule 02-02-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 3743927)
i don't know if it's blind hatred of the administration or just craven cowardice masked as pacifism.

a million dead in the iran-iraq war. tens of thousands of kurds gassed. the marsh arabs exterminated. kuwait almost annihilated. this region has an eight thousand year history of tyranny and genocide. we try to bring democracy and some concept of human rights, and the left pitches a fit.

i push an old woman out of the way of a speeding bus. some other guy pushes her in front of a speeding bus. technically, we both shoved an old lady. in the mind of an idiot we're moral equivalents.

Great post.SmileWavy

WI wide body 02-02-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3743921)
Pipsqueak, 3000 dead in New York, you are really too stupid to even hold a conversation. How many Americans did the nazi's kill on American soil?

Mule, you really are dumber than dog ***** to compare Iraq and terrorism to WW Two.

WW Two:
416,800 confirmed USA military deaths.
Over 60,000,000 confirmed combined dead overall.

Even a very stupid person might be able to see the difference. And you????

WI wide body 02-02-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 3743927)
i don't know if it's blind hatred of the administration or just craven cowardice masked as pacifism.

a million dead in the iran-iraq war. tens of thousands of kurds gassed. the marsh arabs exterminated. kuwait almost annihilated. this region has an eight thousand year history of tyranny and genocide. we try to bring democracy and some concept of human rights, and the left pitches a fit.

i push an old woman out of the way of a speeding bus. some other guy pushes her in front of a speeding bus. technically, we both shoved an old lady. in the mind of an idiot we're moral equivalents.

And how exactly did any of that concern the safety of USA soil and citizens?

WI wide body 02-02-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 3743933)
We entered the European Theater somewhat unwillingly and is a poor analogy though I think you are referring to the global "threat" of the time.

In this case though remind me please. Which country was responsible for the loss of life on 9/11?

What are you trying to do...confuse Mule with questions that require a logical response?;)

70SATMan 02-02-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 3743927)
we try to bring democracy and some concept of human rights, and the left pitches a fit.

You make it sound like it was a kind offer. Eight thousand years of history...maybe they don't want our 230 years of experience.

WI wide body 02-02-2008 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3743931)
Apparently your medication hasn't kicked in yet because now you're making no sense at all. Why not just post "I hate America?" This way your true feelings are expressed and you dont look as stupid as you do in the above post.

Gosh, the list of your reasons for why you think anyone might "hate America" is staggering. Or do you often leave a page blank and hope something shows up?

70SATMan 02-02-2008 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3743940)
What are you trying to do...confuse Mule with questions that require a logical response?;)

Just trying to keep it as simple as possible.

I'm in workin all by my lonesome on a Sat. and thought I'd take a little break. I am working on replacing the Navy Satcom systems so, just doin my part.:D

Mule 02-02-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3743936)
Mule, you really are dumber than dog ***** to compare Iraq and terrorism to WW Two.

WW Two:
416,800 confirmed USA military deaths.
Over 60,000,000 confirmed combined dead overall.

Even a very stupid person might be able to see the difference. And you????

How many of those 418,000 had been killed when we declared war, & how many had Germany killed?

Mule 02-02-2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 3743933)
We entered the European Theater somewhat unwillingly and is a poor analogy though I think you are referring to the global "threat" of the time.

In this case though remind me please. Which country was responsible for the loss of life on 9/11?

1.5 billion world wide & trillions in oil cash coupled with a philosophy rooted in bloodshed, calling for the death, enslavement or conversion by force of non adherents, coupled with the willingness to strap dynamite to their 12 yo old daughters to kill people they don't know, no threat there. Anybody see a threat?:rolleyes:

nostatic 02-02-2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 3743942)
You make it sound like it was a kind offer. Eight thousand years of history...maybe they don't want our 230 years of experience.

Don't you know? America knows what is best for the entire world. We invented democracy and capitalism. And the interweb.

We didn't invent strapping bombs to developmentally disabled people though. Bad terrorists! We did however use nuclear weapons on civilian targets. But that's different...we were 100% justified in that case. Right?

varmint 02-02-2008 11:17 AM

70SATman
we imposed our values on the germans. the world is better off. we imposed out values n the japanese, the world is better off.

one hundred fifty years ago my ancestors were minding their own business when some goddamn bible thumpin' yankees came down and imposed their morality on us. and made us stop having slaves. there's still a little bit of resentment, but the world is better off.

if i lived in some third world toilet, i would pray for the u.s. to come and kill my dictator. and build hospitals, and create a country where i could read books and vote.


around the year 1300, ghengis khan sent an ambassador to the king of baghdad. the king was not impressed, and beheaded the two men. a year later ghengis made a mountain of skulls out of the citizens of baghdad.
sadam had a forty year history of screwing with the u.s. it didn't work out so well for him. but his people have lucked out in choice of their new occupiers.



widebody, a minute ago you were saying that it was immoral for the u.s. to have gone to war in iraq. i have clearly destroyed that argument. and i want you to stop using it.

i'm going riding, will be back tomorrow for more troll baiting.

Mule 02-02-2008 11:20 AM

So would you equate our culture to their's? That is your insinuation. Or are we worse?

Like I said, you lefties really hate America huh?

nostatic 02-02-2008 11:21 AM

You're the one that compared ww2 to iraq. Your argument...sucks to have it work against you though...

Mule 02-02-2008 11:45 AM

What are you even talking about?

WI wide body 02-02-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 3743982)
70SATman
we imposed our values on the germans. the world is better off. we imposed out values n the japanese, the world is better off.

one hundred fifty years ago my ancestors were minding their own business when some goddamn bible thumpin' yankees came down and imposed their morality on us. and made us stop having slaves. there's still a little bit of resentment, but the world is better off.

if i lived in some third world toilet, i would pray for the u.s. to come and kill my dictator. and build hospitals, and create a country where i could read books and vote.


around the year 1300, ghengis khan sent an ambassador to the king of baghdad. the king was not impressed, and beheaded the two men. a year later ghengis made a mountain of skulls out of the citizens of baghdad.
sadam had a forty year history of screwing with the u.s. it didn't work out so well for him. but his people have lucked out in choice of their new occupiers.



widebody, a minute ago you were saying that it was immoral for the u.s. to have gone to war in iraq. i have clearly destroyed that argument. and i want you to stop using it.

i'm going riding, will be back tomorrow for more troll baiting.

You have "destroyed" absolutely nothing. We invaded Iraq at the wrong time for the wrong reasons with the wrong plan. If the stupid invasion that you support was so damn good for the Iraqi people then why do about 70 percent of them want our asses OUT of their nation?

Or do questions like that confuse someone who declares "destroyed" when he has not even made a relevant point?

WI wide body 02-02-2008 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 3743982)
70SATman
we imposed our values on the germans. the world is better off. we imposed out values n the japanese, the world is better off.

one hundred fifty years ago my ancestors were minding their own business when some goddamn bible thumpin' yankees came down and imposed their morality on us. and made us stop having slaves. there's still a little bit of resentment, but the world is better off.

if i lived in some third world toilet, i would pray for the u.s. to come and kill my dictator. and build hospitals, and create a country where i could read books and vote.


around the year 1300, ghengis khan sent an ambassador to the king of baghdad. the king was not impressed, and beheaded the two men. a year later ghengis made a mountain of skulls out of the citizens of baghdad.
sadam had a forty year history of screwing with the u.s. it didn't work out so well for him. but his people have lucked out in choice of their new occupiers.



widebody, a minute ago you were saying that it was immoral for the u.s. to have gone to war in iraq. i have clearly destroyed that argument. and i want you to stop using it.

i'm going riding, will be back tomorrow for more troll baiting.

Actually, you seem to be nearly as confused as Mule. Anyone who thinks that we went to war with Germany or Japan to "impose our values" should seek help. give us some references where imposing values was listed when the USA declared war on those nations. I was very young at the time but I sure don't recall what you do.;)

WI wide body 02-02-2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3743937)
And how exactly did any of that concern the safety of USA soil and citizens?

While you are "destroying" things...please take the time to reply to this.

Thanx much.

WI wide body 02-02-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3744020)
What are you even talking about?

Mule, that admission is one the very clearest things that you have posted in weeks. Congrats on your self awakening.:D

fintstone 02-02-2008 05:28 PM

Mule...If you put the trolls on ignore...they eventually go away.

WI wide body 02-02-2008 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 3744597)
Mule...If you put the trolls on ignore...they eventually go away.

fin, people like you and certain others who have around 10,000 posts but b!tch about others is so damn phony that it almost smells on the screen!

Interesting how it was not an issue until you found out that you would be called on much of your BS and that truth and facts are often requested.

I expect Mule to take the same tack quite soon. He has very few even semi-intelligent or logical responses recently so that would be the next move per your modus operandi.

Sort of like the blind leading the dumb!:eek:

70SATMan 02-02-2008 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3743959)
1.5 billion world wide & trillions in oil cash coupled with a philosophy rooted in bloodshed, calling for the death, enslavement or conversion by force of non adherents, coupled with the willingness to strap dynamite to their 12 yo old daughters to kill people they don't know, no threat there. Anybody see a threat?:rolleyes:

So you mean the Entire Middle East then? Man, we better get crackin. Crap, forgot about North Africa. Double crap, forgot about Indonesia.

fintstone 02-02-2008 06:04 PM

Once the model in Iraq succeeds....the rest will follow.

70SATMan 02-02-2008 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by varmint (Post 3743982)
70SATman
we imposed our values on the germans. the world is better off. we imposed out values n the japanese, the world is better off.

one hundred fifty years ago my ancestors were minding their own business when some goddamn bible thumpin' yankees came down and imposed their morality on us. and made us stop having slaves. there's still a little bit of resentment, but the world is better off.

if i lived in some third world toilet, i would pray for the u.s. to come and kill my dictator. and build hospitals, and create a country where i could read books and vote.


around the year 1300, ghengis khan sent an ambassador to the king of baghdad. the king was not impressed, and beheaded the two men. a year later ghengis made a mountain of skulls out of the citizens of baghdad.
sadam had a forty year history of screwing with the u.s. it didn't work out so well for him. but his people have lucked out in choice of their new occupiers.



widebody, a minute ago you were saying that it was immoral for the u.s. to have gone to war in iraq. i have clearly destroyed that argument. and i want you to stop using it.

i'm going riding, will be back tomorrow for more troll baiting.

This is to good not to repeat. For a second there I thought you were of Native American decent.

70SATMan 02-02-2008 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 3744597)
Mule...If you put the trolls on ignore...they eventually go away.

...but then who would he have to talk to?

Racerbvd 02-02-2008 06:10 PM

[QUOTEActually, you seem to be nearly as confused as Mule. Anyone who thinks that we went to war with Germany or Japan to "impose our values" should seek help. give us some references where imposing values was listed when the USA declared war on those nations. I was very young at the time but I sure don't recall what you do.][/QUOTE]

Where did he say that we went to war with Germany or Japan to "impose our values" he didn't and you know, you just aren't capable of processing facts, so, you misinterpret he said and twist it.

[QUOTEfin, people like you and certain others who have around 10,000 posts but b!tch about others is so damn phony that it almost smells on the screen!][/QUOTE] You are bythe newby $hitting in the house, and Flint is much more, in the know on the ME thanb you, but since he offers 1st hand what is going on, you ignor it, as you know so much more than those I talk to who honorably serve and have been there!!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1202008193.jpg

WI wide body 02-02-2008 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 3744655)
So you mean the Entire Middle East then? Man, we better get crackin. Crap, forgot about North Africa. Double crap, forgot about Indonesia.

What are you trying to do...be clever...and make Mule think?;)

WI wide body 02-02-2008 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 3744680)
[QUOTEActually, you seem to be nearly as confused as Mule. Anyone who thinks that we went to war with Germany or Japan to "impose our values" should seek help. give us some references where imposing values was listed when the USA declared war on those nations. I was very young at the time but I sure don't recall what you do.]

Where did he say that we went to war with Germany or Japan to "impose our values" he didn't and you know, you just aren't capable of processing facts, so, you misinterpret he said and twist it.

[QUOTEfin, people like you and certain others who have around 10,000 posts but b!tch about others is so damn phony that it almost smells on the screen!][/QUOTE] You are bythe newby $hitting in the house, and Flint is much more, in the know on the ME thanb you, but since he offers 1st hand what is going on, you ignor it, as you know so much more than those I talk to who honorably serve and have been there!!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1202008193.jpg[/QUOTE]

Try to stay up to speed. It was Varmint who said in his post "we imposed our values on the germans." and that was what I was referring to at that time.

WI wide body 02-02-2008 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 3744671)
Once the model in Iraq succeeds....the rest will follow.

Only if they decide that like Iraq they want 2,200,000 refugees created and around 100,000 civilians maimed or killed. Hell of a deal!

WI wide body 02-02-2008 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 3744676)
...but then who would he have to talk to?

So what's your excuse for being on a silly public board? Oops, didn't think of that, huh.:D

70SATMan 02-02-2008 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 3744671)
Once the model in Iraq succeeds....the rest will follow.

Got to keep this one as well. You know your use of the word "model" is really very distasteful. Do you honestly think of it that way?




http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1202009168.jpg

70SATMan 02-02-2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WI wide body (Post 3744701)
So what's your excuse for being on a silly public board? Oops, didn't think of that, huh.:D


Shhh, you can't see me...I'm on ignore.:D

WI wide body 02-02-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 3744720)
Shhh, you can't see me...I'm on ignore.:D

Damn. I hate when that happens!SmileWavy

70SATMan 02-02-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 3744680)



Byron, are we gonna have to throw down in a cartoon smackdown cage match?:D:DSmileWavy


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