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svandamme 09-21-2020 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11033377)
Ya that sounds terrible. I bet it's horrific from about 3K RPM to redline. Who ever came up with getting a mountain of reliable HP and torque from a compact engine definitely failed with the LS.

I'm not dissing the engine, i'm dissing the exhaust.
the thing barely idles which , for a street car is quite the pain in the neck

no drivability..

I can appreciate that race cars don't need idle.. they just set em at 2000 rmp and for the most part they don't need much midrange.. WOT WOT WOT is plenty good for them.

And the exhaust note at WOT sounds good for most cars, because well, it's LOUD

but this isnt' a race car, it's a street car, that barely runs
and you just cannot do much WOT on the street.. not if you wanna keep your drivers license.. so if the engine can't idle.. has chitty midrange.. and only sounds good at loose your license driving..

at that point i call it a failure.

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Originally Posted by JackDidley (Post 11033417)
To be honest I think the whole thing is more about looks than actually driving. A local guy did the same intake on his LS and really fought with it. Just could not get it to idle. All those individual throttle bodies look cool but I do not think they work that well.

Agreed, looks above everything.
basically single stack in and single exhaust out, its like running 8 single cylinder engines on a shared crank instead of optimizing the intake and exhaust for optimal pumping velocities.
And no backpressure at all, It can't run smooth over a wide power band

pavulon 09-21-2020 07:00 AM

I agree with the assertions that the exhaust is likely not optimised for squeezing every last HP out of the engine. However, my LS7 sounds similar to this Pantera's and is driven on the street without issue. Even if the guy loses 30 HP in the exhaust (not likely), he won't want for power.

Sarc 09-21-2020 07:34 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1600702450.jpg

sammyg2 09-21-2020 10:16 AM

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Jolly Amaranto 09-22-2020 04:57 PM

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Bigtoe32067 09-23-2020 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GG Allin (Post 11029421)
I don't doubt the pic is real but some of that plane size could be in the lens used.

https://www.spaceweather.com/swpod20...o-Bellido1.jpg

Even if it’s not real, it’s a beautiful picture.

Bigtoe32067 09-23-2020 03:09 AM

I don’t care what anyone says, that Panther looks awesome. From the body style and color to the intake and exhaust.
It’s the most unique one I’ve ever seen.
It’s definitely form over function but there are plenty the other way around and there’s room in the world for one like this one.

Bigtoe32067 09-23-2020 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by racerbvd (Post 11031701)

Can you imagine how many more 914’s Porsche would’ve sold if it was styled more like this?

I love this cars shape and it looks great from every angle.

Nostril Cheese 09-23-2020 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigtoe32067 (Post 11036598)
I don’t care what anyone says, that Panther looks awesome. From the body style and color to the intake and exhaust.
It’s the most unique one I’ve ever seen.
It’s definitely form over function but there are plenty the other way around and there’s room in the world for one like this one.

This. Its not like those Panteras were well built to begin with.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1600861946.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1600862052.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1600862111.jpg

CurtEgerer 09-23-2020 05:45 AM

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Baz 09-23-2020 01:12 PM

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RWebb 09-23-2020 03:37 PM

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A930Rocket 09-23-2020 06:18 PM

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JackDidley 09-23-2020 06:50 PM

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Jbabl 09-23-2020 09:51 PM

I'm pretty sure the LS engine firing order is the same as the Ford GT40 so they should have gone with the 180 headers/bundle of snakes on that Pantera

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1600926602.jpg

Details on 180 degree headers

https://burnsstainless.com/blogs/articles-1/bundle-of-snakes-180-degree-headers-1

Heel n Toe 09-23-2020 10:20 PM

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svandamme 09-24-2020 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigtoe32067 (Post 11036602)
Can you imagine how many more 914’s Porsche would’ve sold if it was styled more like this?

I love this cars shape and it looks great from every angle.

987 is the closest thing to it.. and looks great from every angle as well
they lost it again with the 981.. which is a great car, but it's lines are to angular.. it's not round like the 904 or 987...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1600949834.jpg

svandamme 09-24-2020 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jbabl (Post 11037924)
I'm pretty sure the LS engine firing order is the same as the Ford GT40 so they should have gone with the 180 headers/bundle of snakes on that Pantera

pretty sure an LS has a regular V8 cross plane crank 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Where as a GT40 had a flat plane crank...that fires 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

https://res.cloudinary.com/engineeri...ank_uhgwgv.jpg

pavulon 09-24-2020 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 11038033)
pretty sure an LS has a regular V8 cross plane crank 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Where as a GT40 had a flat plane crank...that fires 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

https://res.cloudinary.com/engineeri...ank_uhgwgv.jpg

No. Both cross plane. Modern GT350 is flat plane.

Sarc 09-24-2020 06:50 AM

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