Illegal Driver Kills Kids

[Mo_Gearhead]

News release:
You may have heard about an accident in southwestern Minnesota in which a school bus was rammed from the side by a van, killing four school children. After considerable hemming and hawing, it has been confirmed that the woman who was driving the van, Alianiss Morales, is an illegal alien. Morales has been booked on suspicion of criminal vehicular operation.
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Also heard that the name given above (to police) is not her real name and (of course) had NO drivers license.

Perfect.

Someone please ask J. McCain his thoughts on this event.

[pwd72s]

Sadly, similar stories appear in Oregon...

[Seric]

12 million of them in the U.S., some are bound to make mistakes :O

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by Seric

12 million of them in the U.S., some are bound to make mistakes :O

You are correct. Most illegals are somewhat law abiding, but their priorities are different than ours. While they may get a drivers license, vehicle insurance is a low priority to them. I'd rather they not have the license and get insurance.

[the]

Originally Posted by Mo_Gearhead

Someone please ask J. McCain his thoughts on this event.

Maybe she was driving on one of his "pathways to citizenship."

[Tobra]

Does not make any sense for an illegal alien to get insurance.

If you don't have anything to lose, why do you need insurance?

I would be shocked if this sort of thing does not happen every single day somewhere in California.

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Does not make any sense for an illegal alien to get insurance.

If you don't have anything to lose, why do you need insurance?

I would be shocked if this sort of thing does not happen every single day somewhere in California.

Forget California, it happens at least every week here in mid-Missouri!

[Porsche-O-Phile]

The scam is to avoid detection by stealing plates off another car (that have the current year's sticker) to avoid drawing attention, or by going to one of the MANY "el cheapo" insurance places around here, paying a modest ($100-ish) "first installment" on the policy to get an insurance card and therefore get the car registered. DMV gives 'em a current year sticker and they don't bother making any more payments on the policy, which is cancelled for non-payment after a month. Repeat year after year as necessary to get a current sticker AND an insurance card that indicates they have coverage. No way to tell unless someone actually CALLS the insurance company to verify the policy stated on the card is current (and this is never done).

A co-worker of mine got his BMW sideswiped by someone running this scam (which I guess is very common). Fake name (of course), very polite at the accident scene, showed registration & insurance card and was never found again. A call to the insurance company told him that "Jose" (or whatever the guy's name was) did not have current coverage, even though he was carrying one of those insurance cards with "valid Jan. XX - Dec. XX" on it. Once the guy drove away, having convinced him that he was legit and had given proper documents to put a claim in, there went any chance of collecting.

This apparently happens A LOT - at least that's what the insurance company & cops said.

Long story short, my friend got his policy rate jacked up due to an "uninsured motorist" claim. The good guys lose. Again.

[K. Roman]

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

Indeed, then we'll have to ask Obama and Clinton too, since they all advocate open borders at this point. On the immigration issue, we're pretty much doomed, unless McCain changes his tune (he's playing a different key these days, but I don't think he's serious about border control).

-Wayne

As did Reagan.

[widgeon13]

Originally Posted by Kurt V

You are correct. Most illegals are somewhat law abiding, .

How the heck do you figure they are law abiding, they are here illegally??? Their behavior is designed to avoid deportation and any contact w/ law enforcement.

If they were law abiding, they would be here legally.

I'm all for a caring society but not to people who are not supposed to be here in the first place.

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by Kurt V

You are correct. Most illegals are somewhat law abiding, but their priorities are different than ours. While they may get a drivers license, vehicle insurance is a low priority to them. I'd rather they not have the license and get insurance.

The real point is that they should not be here at all. If they come here legally then they will (hopefully) be more likely to follow the rest of our laws.

[pwd72s]

Let's face it. We've been invaded. With thanks to those who are elected, the invasion has been a success.

[Sapporo Guy]

I've never really figured out why not more is being done ...

Ok, here's a long shot.

Not my idea but ...
Total 12 million amenesty program. Register within 6 months and stay. Forget or have another reason get booted.

My twist on the above:

Once the amenesty program has started, play hard ball and make tough with illegal entry.

Prevent any illegal from suing residents. (I'm sure there are going to be exceptions but make the point loud and clear).

Having no legal entry permit will mean no baby will be getting automatic citizenship. (So, an onboard delivery will still be permissable.)

Any illegal activity within 5 years of amnesty acceptance will result in instant deportation.

Any employer who is employing illegals after the amnesty will be fined an amount that equals the cost of deportation. Tapping direct bank funds will be allowable.

Of course, the typical requirements of studying about American histroy and culture will still be a requisite. However, the course may be completed within 1 year of acceptance citizenship. Failure will be mandatory lessons much like the probation system is based on. Work or no work, you will attend class.


I really don't see any other solution. There are just too many and with crime being high enough already I don't think the US can be bothered with tracking down a few hard working folks ...


Slightly off the topic but ...

Mandatory insurance that is included in the price of registration of the car. I have to pay close to $500 every 2 years for such a type of insurance. It doesn't cover much but if I wipe out some poor soul at least the family/survior gets some kind of coverage. However, property damage is not included. So, for the States include the above type plus collision.

Won't the insurance companies cry foul? No, because they are the ones who will underwrite this mandatory registration insurance.

Ok, I hear it all ready, "some people won't be able to drive and are too poor to even afford their cars now".
Well, maybe it's time rethink the Walmart curse and to redesign the public transportation system! Heck, with the way LA traffic is and the price of crude going up anyway maybe this might be the a good time to kill a few birds at once.


Even more off topic:
Tackle the broken windows syndrome.

Literally fumigate all public houseing projects -- top to bottom. At the same time employee the residents to partake in the repairs and cleaning (Yes, there are always exceptions -- mainly with letters from employers or even better yet turn this into a jury like system). 1 professional with 2 citizens per team. Nothing like the public works system from the past.

Tear down all chain link fences, replace all broken windows, paint all graffiti and such.

Crack addicts and such will get deported to some backwater area with no public transportation but will have professional teams and facilities to help those in need.

Big brother mentality ???? Yep, America already is on that path so what's the beef?

Ok, who is going to fund all this? Well, that is easy enough. Imagine all the legal paying taxes in the coffers, the money that will return back into the economy from people working again and their potential to earn even more down the road.

What about the back water locations that don't have enough money to get by?
Put them to work on the public transportation system. Sure they'll need training and such but at least when all the construction and what not is done they might just end up with a new skill or two making it easy for them to get work.

Basically, put people to work and have them try to earn for what they are getting. I say this because I don't think that handouts without strings works. In most cases, people feel better when they have earned a handout rather than given.


Am I off my rocker

[MRM]

Same day not 20 miles away a guy with no license ran over a woman in a cross walk, killing her. He's American born, but no DL for a decade. I don't see this as an immigration issue.

In Saudi Arabia if a native gets in an accident with one of the people brought into the country to actually do the work the Saudis need to have done, the accident is always the immigrant's fault. Because the accident wouldn't have happened if the immigrant hadn't come to the country.

[artplumber]

Originally Posted by Sapporo Guy

I've never really figured out why not more is being done ...

Ok, here's a long shot.

Not my idea but ...
Total 12 million amenesty program. Register within 6 months and stay. Forget or have another reason get booted.
.....

Am I off my rocker

Tried already with Reagan. Illegal immigration order of magnitude worse since then.

Why would you repeat the mistakes of the past? Yes you are off your rocker.

[sammyg2]

Arizona has the right idea.
Eliminate ALL jobs for illegals. Punish the employers severely for employing illegals and actually enforce the laws on the books.
if there are no jobs for them, they will stop coming. If there are no jobs for them, they will go back home. If there are no jobs for them, there will be no need for a stupid fence or the national guard patrolling.

[David]

Originally Posted by MRM

Same day not 20 miles away a guy with no license ran over a woman in a cross walk, killing her. He's American born, but no DL for a decade. I don't see this as an immigration issue.

I agree. I don't see how her being here legally would have prevented any of this. Americans probably have more accidents than illegals because they just don't pay attention, like this woman. Sure if she was legal, she may have had insurance, but what's a few thousand dollars going to do for a dead child?

The MUCH BIGGER issue here is seat belts in school buses. From the few pictures I saw, that did not look like a fatal accident. I'm assuming the bus didn't have belts like most in this country and that should be a crime

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by 125shifter

I agree. I don't see how her being here legally would have prevented any of this.

Look at it another way:
She was (and still is illegal), so she shouldn't be here at all! If she wasn't here, there would be 4 kids that would still be alive.

[MRM]

Originally Posted by MRM

In Saudi Arabia if a native gets in an accident with one of the people brought into the country to actually do the work the Saudis need to have done, the accident is always the immigrant's fault. Because the accident wouldn't have happened if the immigrant hadn't come to the country.

Just sayin'

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by MRM

In Saudi Arabia if a native gets in an accident with one of the people brought into the country to actually do the work the Saudis need to have done, the accident is always the immigrant's fault. Because the accident wouldn't have happened if the immigrant hadn't come to the country.

Yep, I had a buddy have his Lightning totaled when an illegal ran into him, he was lucky, neither he or his father were hurt, but it was a custom order