Graphic artists?

[k9handler]

Have a friend here with a Rock Band, new group in need of a logo so I thought I would help them out.

Here is my idea, feel free to comment or even show me your ideas.

[stomachmonkey]

What's the name of the band?

Ace of Hearts or All Bets Are Off?

The very 1st thing I try to instill in my people is "Priority of information"

In this case both elements have equal weight.

Not sure what to focus on 1st.

Another thing to keep in mind is information flow.

Westerners read L -> R and Top to bottom.

Rotating the card the other way helps lead the eye along that natural path. It could be left rotated this way if it had a lower priority. A way to Keep the card large and lower the priority would be to "light" it. Lighting would also add some depth. Feels flat right now. See below

Resist the urge to "line up" or "center everything. Makes it feel chunky, unnatural. Sometimes items falling of the page work better.

Here's a weird tip. Optically when you put things dead center they can appear off center, optical dillusion. Slightly to the left of vertical center and above horizontal center "looks" centered.

[k9handler]

I see what you mean, thanks for the input. The band is All Bets Are Off, so I should probably downplay the A of Hearts.

[stomachmonkey]

Yeah, the light I threw on it affected the All Bets.. portion since i was too lazy to isolate it. Anywho, in addition to lighting it you could also blur the card back some. It's a large easily recognizable element so blurring it would not hurt it at all and pardon the pun would help create focus on the All Bets part.

I recall you had an interest in graphics/3d modeling. Was something you were considering after your current gig. (Thanks for that BTW, much appreciated.) Still considering it?

[kstar]

All bets off . . . really off.

[stomachmonkey]

I think Ace of Hearts would be better name.

Lot more possibilities to iconize it.

[87coupe]

Band logos should be easy to transfer to cheap fliers - monochromatic, and typography only would be a good place to start. If you want to include the playing card use the opposite side of the card. Just typing the band name is insufficient to really call it a logo. You can use a stock font as a starting place but you should at least make some changes to the characters. Another thing to consider is working on the basis that the logo needs to look proper on a kick drum skin. My 2 cents.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I think Ace of Hearts would be better name.

Lot more possibilities to iconize it.

Wouldn't need any type - card speaks for itself - cool!

[porsche4life]

I dont know what it would cost but this guy does some killer work.
http://www.rob-sheridan.com/
and
http://www.rob-sheridan.com/sketchblog/

[DARISC]

Or, how 'bout a stylized roulette wheel - replace some of the numbers with the band name?

Then put roulette wheel rims on the band bus .

[k9handler]

Thanks for the input, great ideas and it's got me thinking.

Another idea I came up with.

[k9handler]

Originally Posted by DARISC

Or, how 'bout a stylized roulette wheel - replace some of the numbers with the band name?

Then put roulette wheel rims on the band bus .

oh good idea....thanks!

stomachmonkey I am thinking of it, or getting a CCNA and going the Networking way. I am over 20 years now so if I am not promoted this coming cycle then 22 is the most they will get from me.

[stomachmonkey]

Pop got the 20 year promo. Pension as an E9 was better than O, so he went out as an E9. Never understood that but the army is weird.

Networking is a tough gig. Took the Cisco cert once myself. Evil bastards.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by DARISC

Or, how 'bout a stylized roulette wheel - replace some of the numbers with the band name?

Then put roulette wheel rims on the band bus .

That'd look great on a drum head.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by DARISC

Or, how 'bout a stylized roulette wheel - replace some of the numbers with the band name?

Then put roulette wheel rims on the band bus .

That'd look great on a drum head.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by k9handler

oh good idea....thanks!

stomachmonkey I am thinking of it, or getting a CCNA and going the Networking way. I am over 20 years now so if I am not promoted this coming cycle then 22 is the most they will get from me.

Thanks - use it or abuse it as you like .

YEARS ago a buddy of mine was an Army K9 handler at a NIKE site in NE Ohio. His dog Sabre was a 125 lb male German Shepherd that was donated by the Air Force Col. who'd owned him as a pet. The dog had had hard pad distemper when a pup and, although cured, Sabre was left with a VERY unpredictable personality (he'd spontaneously become very expressive in a most ungentle way with his very large teeth) and the Col. didn't trust having him around after a certain point.

When in training with the dog (Lackland AFB, I think), he was told by his instructor, who was informed of the dog's propensity to go ballistic, that if his dog turned on him he had to swing the dog in a circle to the point that the dog became submissive. Sounds extreme to me, but Sabre did turn on him at one point and he had to swing his 125 lb. dog in circles hoping he wouldn't pass out from loss of blood pouring out of the long gash in his calf that Sabre had opened up and that required 40 odd stitches to close.

There were, I think 8 handlers on the NIKE site and they would rotate weekend duties feeding the dogs. I went with him one freezing snowy Sunday to meet Sabre for the first time. All the off duty dogs were laid back in their anchor link kennels. All the water in their stainless steel bowls was frozen solid, except Sabre's, whose bowl was empty. I asked my buddy about that and he said, the water freezes solid, which really pissed Sabre off so he'd pick up the bowl and throw and slam it against the concrete slab in front of his doghouse until he'd knocked all the ice out of it.

Sabre was laying down on the concrete looking benignly up at us from the far side of his enclosure when John led me into the fenced off perimeter of the individual kennels. I said something like "Gee, John, he doesn't look all that badass to me" and stepped a little closer to the chain link. Then WHAM! in what seemed like a split second Sabre was on the fence, standing up at full stretch, hei teeth grinding on the steel chain links as he snarled the most unbelievably vicious snarl that I'd ever heard! I reflexivly jumped backwards, slamming into the kennels perimeter fence and went down! That dog wanted to KILL me!

John told me that the dogs had regular workouts with handlers who'd suit up and be attacked in a training excercise. Sabre was so big and so vicious that none of the handlers would suit up for Sabre.

What a magnificent dog! Of course, my buddy couldn't take Sabre with him when his hitch was up. When that time came, his wife told me he cried like a baby. Makes me a little misty eyed myself, thinking back.

[K. Roman]

What sort of band are they? Rock is too generalized. Are they over 40? Are they just having fun playing in bars/weddings? Both of those logos (if you could call it that) look really generic.
Create a logo that would look good in one color, black on white.

It isn't easy to create a great logo, but a good one needs to be able to be printed in one color on a T-shirt. Both of those would need a 4-color press and would be expensive. I know there are exceptions, like Grateful Dead, Stones etc...But well, they are icons.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

That'd look great on a drum head.

Oooh - I like that (the bass drum?).

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by K. Roman

What sort of band are they? Rock is too generalized. Are they over 40? Are they just having fun playing in bars/weddings? Both of those logos (if you could call it that) look really generic.
Create a logo that would look good in one color, black on white.

It isn't easy to create a great logo, but a good one needs to be able to be printed in one color on a T-shirt. Both of those would need a 4-color press and would be expensive. I know there are exceptions, like Grateful Dead, Stones etc...But well, they are icons.

I agree. The roulette wheel idea could work in B&W and could be hand painted in color on the base drum, eh?

[K. Roman]

Check these logos out. These sort of logos can make bands a huge profit even as much as or more than their record sales.