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svandamme 02-23-2008 01:49 AM

well, didn't see any like that last time i was in Utah... you could fit 2 of the above in 1 of those i saw at receptions there, maybe it's an IT tech kind of thing, not hiring fit birds to represent the fat geeks inside of the company... the pearls for the swines thing ...

Joeaksa 02-23-2008 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 3786771)
well, didn't see any like that last time i was in Utah... you could fit 2 of the above in 1 of those i saw at receptions there, maybe it's an IT tech kind of thing, not hiring fit birds to represent the fat geeks inside of the company... the pearls for the swines thing ...

There ARE some very cute Mormon girls...

All of the below are Morman ladies and from various websites, so the pictures are ok to post here.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203767503.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203767587.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203767612.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203767631.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203767651.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203767663.jpg

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svandamme 02-23-2008 03:58 AM

i believe you Joe, like i said, it must be an IT thing then

JeremyD 02-23-2008 04:26 AM

Too bad you are not local Moses - I'd cut you a deal -

I run a temporary help company - every internal hires, except sales or management - go temp to hire at my company. Typically we keep them on temp payroll for 90 days - if they make it that far - then we make the committment to them for full time, benefits, etc.

Couple of good suggestions here - background checks - do em - nationwide - hire right - american backgrounds - first choice - just need one - but do them - I like to do them within the first three days of the assignment.

Temp to hire - excellent suggestion - take them the full term - 90m days temporary to hire. People can be on their best behavior for 45 days - even 60 - at 90 you have a pretty clear picture of the person you want to add to your family. On the front end - make sure there is no fee (conversion) after the 90 days - some companies try and hit you with one - just know up front.

Quality of the workforce - welcome to my world. on a given week - we interview between 350 and 450 employees. Out of that number - we will be lucky if 150 meet our hiring criteria. And our hiring criteria is pretty broad. We tell them to dress for an interview and they still show up in flip flops and cut off jeans.

Oh - and just so you know - if you hire in the 18-25 year old sector - be prepared in 6 months because they will want to know why they aren't running the company yet.

JeremyD 02-23-2008 04:33 AM

Oh, and BTW - title VII of the civil rights act prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin;

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Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:

harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, or age;
retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities; and
denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group.

speeder 02-23-2008 06:25 AM

Jeremy, Thanks for printing that. Is it OK to discriminate based on just physical appearance, as long as it's not related to one of the proscribed categories above? Everyone knows that it happens anyways; we all make judgments based on someone's appearance, (at least first impressions), and of course a receptionist is the face and voice of the office. I seem to remember Hooter's having a lawsuit regarding this, but I can't remember how it turned out.

In LA., employers are lucky as far as looks at least. There are enough hot, young women to staff every restaurant and clothing store in town, with enough left over to drive around in cars, cross the streets everywhere and work the pole at strip clubs.

Tobra 02-23-2008 07:53 AM

I remember when I was interviewing medical assistants, OMG!

Picked the best one out of the 30 something I talked to, some young black chick, single mom.

Within a week she was in the lockup in San Jose or Stockton, some ****ing place. She left at lunchtime, said she had to go to some child support hearing and would be back in a few hours and never came back. Someone called claiming to be her mother, wanting her check, telling me she was "incarcerated" and was more than somewhat bent when I told her I would send the check to the address I had, and that I would not hold the job for 90 days until she got out.

Interviewed another 30 and got lucky.

Talked to a half dozen smokin' hot russian gals, but none of them spoke english well enough to want them around.

Mormons send their girls out to recruit new people, Muslims send their boys out to kill them. Hmmm

JeremyD 02-23-2008 08:09 AM

describe the job, not the person - general rule of thought - "front office position, will meet and greet clients, professional groom, ability to speak and communicate clearly and effectively must be able to present themselves and interface with executive staff on a daily basis." Pay a little more than the prevailing wage and you can usually have your choice.

Use a little common sense - and yes in Kali and Texas seems like you have a higher likelyhood to hire a smoking hot receptionist.

I really question the companies that skimp on this position. On many occasion - this is the first person clients (both internal and external) have contact with.

JeremyD 02-23-2008 08:13 AM

The Hooters lawsuit fell under the BOQ - Bona fide Occupational Qualification - same as wash room attendants - locker room staff. Part of the business model and one of the reasons people went to Hooters was because of the staff. Not some hairy dude dressed as a Hooters Waitress.

SLO-BOB 02-23-2008 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 3787036)

Talked to a half dozen smokin' hot russian gals, but none of them spoke english well enough to want them around.


English is overated.

Moses 02-23-2008 08:21 AM

The last receptionist I hired was smokin' hot. I won't make that mistake again. The old hens who have been running the office for years carved her up. If you hire someone who is too pretty, too thin or too young, the old women will pick on her till she quits. Sad, but true.

I guess I'll settle for well groomed and competent. :(

SLO-BOB 02-23-2008 08:23 AM

That problem is very easy to solve - fire all the old hens and hire hotties. I'm sure there will be a line out the door to your practice.

Moses 02-23-2008 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SLO-BOB (Post 3787103)
That problem is very easy to solve - fire all the old hens and hire hotties. I'm sure there will be a line out the door to your practice.

Nah. My old hens are priceless. I have tremendous employees. Competent, loyal, smart. I wouldn't trade them for anything.

scottmandue 02-23-2008 08:49 AM

In my experience smoking hot = entitled and high maintenance = someone I wouldn't want as an employee.
YMMV

Also FWIW one of the best renters I ever had was a paralegal that was extremely neat, quite, and paid the rent on time every month... and he was FABULOUS if you know what I mean.

Not that there is anything wrong with that

Just thinking outside the box... did I just say that out loud?

lendaddy 02-23-2008 09:10 AM

What wage range are we talking about?

SLO-BOB 02-23-2008 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 3787117)
Nah. My old hens are priceless..


Unless you are too pretty, too thin or too young. ;)

I'm kidding around of course. Hiring a hottie, even a qualified one, is recipe for headaches. I wouldn't discriminate mind you.....

Moses 02-23-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy (Post 3787188)
What wage range are we talking about?

$18/hour. Full paid health insurance. Profit sharing plan. Three weeks vacation and 10 paid holidays.

Tobra 02-23-2008 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SLO-BOB (Post 3787092)
English is overated.

not if you have them answering the phone in the United States
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moses (Post 3787098)
The last receptionist I hired was smokin' hot. I won't make that mistake again. The old hens who have been running the office for years carved her up. If you hire someone who is too pretty, too thin or too young, the old women will pick on her till she quits. Sad, but true.

I guess I'll settle for well groomed and competent. :(

this happened to my wife when she was working for an allergist. She was smarter, prettier and younger. They were jealous of her because she was a nurse, the doctor trusted her to take care of patient calls, and to mix his injections after she had been there a few weeks, when they had been there for years. That doctor will regret that the rest of his career. Really competent assistant will make your life sooo much better.

His other nurse quit over the way things went down with my wife, so he lost two people trained to mix injections at essentially the same time and had to do that himself.


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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 3787117)
Nah. My old hens are priceless. I have tremendous employees. Competent, loyal, smart. I wouldn't trade them for anything.

my office manager is like they, like solid gold she is

Racerbvd 02-23-2008 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyD (Post 3787074)
The Hooters lawsuit fell under the BOQ - Bona fide Occupational Qualification - same as wash room attendants - locker room staff. Part of the business model and one of the reasons people went to Hooters was because of the staff. Not some hairy dude dressed as a Hooters Waitress.

Yep, a buddy was a Hooters GM back then, I still have a poster & some decals some where.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203789677.jpg

I have a friend looking for work right now, who, if you were local would be great.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1203789865.jpg

And she is smart too,
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OBJECTIVE
Seeking a position as a board eligible ultrasound technician in a hospital utilizing my clinical abilities and providing outstanding patient care

SUMMARY OF QUALIFICATIONS
• Able to work independently and as part of a team.
• Excellent communication and interpersonal skills.
• Strong leadership ability and excellent organizational skills.
• Able to prioritize multi-tasks in fast-paced, time-urgent environment.
• Skill and resourcefulness in training and motivating personnel, with strong problem solving ability

EDUCATION
Bachelor of Science Degree in Psychology, 1995
Jacksonville University, Jacksonville, FL

Accredited Sonography Certificate, 2007
Palm Beach Community College, Palm Beach Gardens, FL

CLINICAL EXPERIENCE
Boca Raton Community Hospital, Boca Raton, FL May 2007- June 2007
GE HDI 5000, Phillips

Palm Beach Gardens Hospital, Palm Beach Gardens, FL January 2007- July 2007
GE Logic 5, GE Logic 9, ATL Portable

Good Samaritan Hospital, West Palm Beach, FL October 2006- December 2006
Acuson Sequoia, GE Logic 9, ATL

Columbia Hospital, West Palm Beach, FL August 2006- October 2006
GE HDI

SCANNING SKILLS IN DEPARTMENT AND WITH PORTABLE UNIT
(Performed Exams In Student Capacity)
• Abdomen, Renals
• Small Parts (Thyroid, Breast, Scrotum)
• Pelvic, OB (Including Transvaginal)
• Vascular (Carotid, Upper/ Lower Extremities, Aorta)

ACTIVITIES
• Member of the Society of Diagnostic Medical Sonography
• President of Sonography Club, Palm Beach Community Colelge
• American Heart Association CPR Certified

But right now she is looking to get in the door.

One of my friends sent us a website that has a very cool intro. A girl walks out and forward, to tell about the company, looks cool, but she is wearing blue jeans:eek:?????????? I know, maybe I'm old school, but when you have corprate clients (and ours are from fish camps to upscale private clubs to major National corps) so we don't want to put out a "look"that will run off new high end clients.

sammyg2 02-23-2008 10:13 AM

I interviewed several young men for a mechancial job a few years ago, which paid around $60k a year.
I have one guy show up with an interpreter because he didn't speak english, at all. Adios and gracias.
I had one guy show up with his ball cap on sideways and his jeans down around his knees with his boxters showing, no way holmes.


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